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D4 4g injector pump problem

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FLDrew91
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Hey guys,

Just finished rebuilding my pony and mounting it back on the tractor. Flushed and cleaned the engine, add new oil. I cleaned the diesel tank, lines, fuel filter housing and new filters. My problem is there is no fuel getting to the injectors. I pulled the plate off the side of the pump and the rack was stuck. I pulled the rack off and tried moving each pump gear individual but none will budge. No amount of penetration oil seems to help either. I also can’t get remove the individual pumps from the housing. Any suggestions?
Current project: 1936 RD4
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Wed, Feb 14, 2018 10:50 AM
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Why can't you remove the pumps? They are set in tight. On my 12 there is a boss on the top of the pump that a 9/16 open end wrench just fits. I wiggled back and forth while working a knife blade under the pump. Was afraid I might break something but finally came out. They are pretty crude. Just dive in. One or more pumps are probably seized. Take it apart and free it up.
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Wed, Feb 14, 2018 12:03 PM
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If the plungers won't rotate, they are certainly stuck. I question whether it will be worthwhile to free them up since they are such a tight fit. Guess you won't know until you try. Once you get one off the housing you should get flow from the filter tower through the gallery to confirm fuel is even available.
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Wed, Feb 14, 2018 9:29 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
If the plungers won't rotate, they are certainly stuck. I question whether it will be worthwhile to free them up since they are such a tight fit. Guess you won't know until you try. Once you get one off the housing you should get flow from the filter tower through the gallery to confirm fuel is even available.
Thanks guys. The plungers won’t move at all. When I pull the injector lines off there is fuel in the pumps so I think it’s getting fuel thru the gallery. I’m going to get a copy of the injector housing manual and try to take it apart and fix the issue.
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Wed, Feb 14, 2018 9:35 PM
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Reply to FLDrew91:
Thanks guys. The plungers won’t move at all. When I pull the injector lines off there is fuel in the pumps so I think it’s getting fuel thru the gallery. I’m going to get a copy of the injector housing manual and try to take it apart and fix the issue.
Once you have the pumps out, use a heat gun, then immediately soak in diesel. Repeat as required. You might be able get the plungers out.
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Wed, Feb 14, 2018 11:09 PM
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Once you have the pumps out, use a heat gun, then immediately soak in diesel. Repeat as required. You might be able get the plungers out.
If the pump plungers are stuck, the yoke under each plunger will have to be unscrewed to allow the individual pump to lift up and clear the housing . The yoke height will need to be reset before re assembly.
The splined section can be unscrewed from the top of the pump and after removing the spring and check valve use a long punch and tap the plunger down and out . Use plenty of your favourite juice. Dont be too concerned about damaging it as if you cannot get the plunger out the pump is scrap anyway. I have done this many times with success.
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 3:48 AM
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By putting your finger in and touching the gear, if it is loose it will move a little. If it moves it is free. Do you have one seized pump or all of them. Your finger can feel .005 movement.
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 7:18 AM
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Yeah that's good advice Pete.
I recently helped a mate get a David Brown tractor running right. It was blowing lots of black smoke with a slight miss . It seems that previously an attempt to fee a stuck plunger was done by using a hammer and punch on the gear quadrant . While this appeared to fix the stuck plunger , the segment rotated on the plunger . This resulted in full fuel to that cylinder. Hence the black smoke . I just loosened of the clamp screw and rotated the plunger to where I thought it should be. Repeated this a couple of times until the engine seemed to run ok.
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 7:31 AM
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Reply to Andrew:
Yeah that's good advice Pete.
I recently helped a mate get a David Brown tractor running right. It was blowing lots of black smoke with a slight miss . It seems that previously an attempt to fee a stuck plunger was done by using a hammer and punch on the gear quadrant . While this appeared to fix the stuck plunger , the segment rotated on the plunger . This resulted in full fuel to that cylinder. Hence the black smoke . I just loosened of the clamp screw and rotated the plunger to where I thought it should be. Repeated this a couple of times until the engine seemed to run ok.
Got me thinking about that GP. A fellow could get a set of plungers out of a good running machine, and make up a jig and/or measure landmarks on the segment and the plunger scroll relative to each other, average them out, and then use that as a guide to getting the setting fairly close for the average pump assembly. I'd guess the pump calibrating shop might have set them up for volume per 1000 strokes at half-throttle or something which could be another way of doing it. I wonder if Bill Walter knows of the technique?
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 8:00 AM
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Got me thinking about that GP. A fellow could get a set of plungers out of a good running machine, and make up a jig and/or measure landmarks on the segment and the plunger scroll relative to each other, average them out, and then use that as a guide to getting the setting fairly close for the average pump assembly. I'd guess the pump calibrating shop might have set them up for volume per 1000 strokes at half-throttle or something which could be another way of doing it. I wonder if Bill Walter knows of the technique?
There is a lot about that in the Cat book for the testing machine. From memory there is a glass vial with an etched line. The fuel should be within some limit at the correct setting and number of strokes. The basic machine looks like a fuel pump housing with a reservoir base, and an electric motor drive. Different attachments enable checking valve cracking pressure, spray pattern, etc.
I would love to have a nice test bench.
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:12 AM
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Got me thinking about that GP. A fellow could get a set of plungers out of a good running machine, and make up a jig and/or measure landmarks on the segment and the plunger scroll relative to each other, average them out, and then use that as a guide to getting the setting fairly close for the average pump assembly. I'd guess the pump calibrating shop might have set them up for volume per 1000 strokes at half-throttle or something which could be another way of doing it. I wonder if Bill Walter knows of the technique?
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:44 AM
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