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cptcrnch1
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Hi guys.
New to cat and this forum. Thank you so far for all the help!

Pls bear with me if my descriptions are not correct and this post is kinda lengthy....

I just bought a Cat 941.
The bucket on it does NOT have a cutting edge or teeth on it.

I want to put teeth on the bucket.

It has 8 double holes (the holes are double front to back of bucket about ~3" apart) along the blade from edge to edge. I will need to get diameter and spacing btwn them center to center and some pictures, if that would help.

My questions are:
- Do I need to FIRST put a cutting edge on the bucket before I put the the teeth on OR can I just bolt teeth directly on the bucket w/o the cutting edge. I want to make sure I'm properly protecting the bucket .

- Am I correct in saying I need to first install "adapters" (not sure what they are called - the part that bolts to the bucket and then the replaceable teeth then install onto the adapter allowing for future replacement?)

- Ive been unable to locate name/part number of the adapter to install...any ideas?

- Is it worth buying the single OEM/aftermarket piece that is both the adapter and the teeth that bolts to the bucket or better to buy separately the adapter and teeth and replace teeth as they wear out? given what i'm doing, i doubt I'll ever wear them out. this is gonna be a weekend warrior project kinda loader

- Any input on whether to buy teeth that have pins that go in up/down or from the side?

- Recommended teeth length? (I plan on clearing land/brush; pushing stumps/trees and moderate farm digging)

- Good source for the adapters and teeth?

- i've read the bolts that attach the adapter to the bucket are important (they tend to break and sheer off) any comments on where to get the bolts and kind of bolts to get. I've noticed, some places don't come with the hardware.

thanks again for reading this novel and any input offered.
Cheers
JR
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Sat, Jan 20, 2018 9:13 PM
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This is what should be on there for the original general purpose bucket.
You will have to get with Cat to see what interchanges now as those components are considered obsolete and my info does not show interchange as of 1989.
As far as the bolting, holes should start 3" back from the tip of the cutting edge with spacing 3.5" apart.
Bolt dia. is 0.62"
Optional short tip is 5K2924.
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Sun, Jan 21, 2018 12:26 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
This is what should be on there for the original general purpose bucket.
You will have to get with Cat to see what interchanges now as those components are considered obsolete and my info does not show interchange as of 1989.
As far as the bolting, holes should start 3" back from the tip of the cutting edge with spacing 3.5" apart.
Bolt dia. is 0.62"
Optional short tip is 5K2924.
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I would say that you do need a cutting edge--otherwise the bucket will be taking all the wear and the cutting edge gives a little more support to the bucket bottom--I have welded up my cutting edge between the teeth to absorb the wear---My soils have a lot of rock!

for clearing brush I find that a longer tooth is more desirable as you grab much less dirt when pushing brush--- my teeth are 30 years old and I had welded them up with hardened steel to take the abrasion--non have broken off yet--I have pushed over 100's and 100's of trees and I find the teeth grab into the tree and keep the machine from riding up the tree and all the force is directed horizontal to push the tree over--then the teeth help to grab under the root ball and lift it out of the ground

Cat bolts are the best and they are very price competitive to aftermarket
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Sun, Jan 21, 2018 4:42 AM
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Reply to dpendzic:
I would say that you do need a cutting edge--otherwise the bucket will be taking all the wear and the cutting edge gives a little more support to the bucket bottom--I have welded up my cutting edge between the teeth to absorb the wear---My soils have a lot of rock!

for clearing brush I find that a longer tooth is more desirable as you grab much less dirt when pushing brush--- my teeth are 30 years old and I had welded them up with hardened steel to take the abrasion--non have broken off yet--I have pushed over 100's and 100's of trees and I find the teeth grab into the tree and keep the machine from riding up the tree and all the force is directed horizontal to push the tree over--then the teeth help to grab under the root ball and lift it out of the ground

Cat bolts are the best and they are very price competitive to aftermarket
I don't think those teeth are available any more, the design was superseded by the 'side pin' about 30 years ago. They are much stronger, if the edge is worn thin, it may be difficult to keep teeth tight on it, unless you use weld on adapters.
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Mon, Jan 22, 2018 12:43 AM
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Reply to catsilver:
I don't think those teeth are available any more, the design was superseded by the 'side pin' about 30 years ago. They are much stronger, if the edge is worn thin, it may be difficult to keep teeth tight on it, unless you use weld on adapters.
Closest I could find for a 3/4 " thick cutting edge bolt on side pinned adapter is a #9J4207. It is for a 2.62" edge depth and a 3.5" 5/8" bolt spacing. Uses a #1U3202 long tip. Actually used on 931, 935, 910, loaders
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Mon, Jan 22, 2018 1:13 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Closest I could find for a 3/4 " thick cutting edge bolt on side pinned adapter is a #9J4207. It is for a 2.62" edge depth and a 3.5" 5/8" bolt spacing. Uses a #1U3202 long tip. Actually used on 931, 935, 910, loaders
Thanks guys for all the info. Good stuff and much appreciated.

I have some add'l info that maybe some of you could comment on.

The bucket is 77" wide (inside dimension).

The holes in the bucket are 1" diameter!
Center to center of holes is 5" apart!
And from the front edge of the bucket to the first bolt hole is 1".

I have not been able to find anything that even remotely fits this bolt hole pattern (5" from center to center) and bolt hole size (1"). idk if the previous owner adapted this bucket for something else or what.... so i'm looking to improvise to get teeth on this guy.

and after doing some research...I believe Old Magnets suggested adapter and teeth might just work.

On the 9J4207 Adapter: I need to find out how far back the first bolt hole is from the tip of the inside cutout/slot for the bucket to the center of that bolt hole in the adapter. (is there a drwg w/ dimensions on this anywhere? I haven't been successful finding it)

If adapter will accommodate the thickness of my bucket to slip in the slot of the adapter and the first bolt hole of the adapter lines up w/ my first bucket hole that is 1" back from the edge of the bucket, I think I'm good. That way I can get that first bolt hole in. From there, I believe I can weld the rest of the adapter in place of the second bolt. Then I can buy the teeth to fit the adapter....and i'm good to go.

thoughts??

thanks for all input!
Cheers!
JR

ps - spent the day rebuilding the seat bottom (wood was completely rotted and gone) , securing the batteries (they were just hanging out in the compartment) and trying to locate and grease the fittings I could find!
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Mon, Jan 22, 2018 7:55 AM
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Reply to cptcrnch1:
Thanks guys for all the info. Good stuff and much appreciated.

I have some add'l info that maybe some of you could comment on.

The bucket is 77" wide (inside dimension).

The holes in the bucket are 1" diameter!
Center to center of holes is 5" apart!
And from the front edge of the bucket to the first bolt hole is 1".

I have not been able to find anything that even remotely fits this bolt hole pattern (5" from center to center) and bolt hole size (1"). idk if the previous owner adapted this bucket for something else or what.... so i'm looking to improvise to get teeth on this guy.

and after doing some research...I believe Old Magnets suggested adapter and teeth might just work.

On the 9J4207 Adapter: I need to find out how far back the first bolt hole is from the tip of the inside cutout/slot for the bucket to the center of that bolt hole in the adapter. (is there a drwg w/ dimensions on this anywhere? I haven't been successful finding it)

If adapter will accommodate the thickness of my bucket to slip in the slot of the adapter and the first bolt hole of the adapter lines up w/ my first bucket hole that is 1" back from the edge of the bucket, I think I'm good. That way I can get that first bolt hole in. From there, I believe I can weld the rest of the adapter in place of the second bolt. Then I can buy the teeth to fit the adapter....and i'm good to go.

thoughts??

thanks for all input!
Cheers!
JR

ps - spent the day rebuilding the seat bottom (wood was completely rotted and gone) , securing the batteries (they were just hanging out in the compartment) and trying to locate and grease the fittings I could find!
If the bolt spacing is exactly 5" and uses a 1" bolt it would be for a non-current (obsolete) adapter that was meant for a 977 with 1.25" thick cutting edge.
The closest current production would be 4.88" spacing, 1" bolt and accommodate a 1" thick 2.75" wide cutting edge.
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Mon, Jan 22, 2018 10:36 AM
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