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i just tried to start my 1h D8 after it had been sitting for a few years. started the pony right up but after turning the main for a few minutes I could get only get the run position to work in low speed which wasn't enough to start the main engine. as soon as I try to put the pony in high gear and throw the compression to run, the pony dies. on top of that coolant started to blow out from around where the manifold that goes into the pony head, because the 2 bolts holding it in place had vibrated loose. I shut it down and tightened those bolts back up, but the next day when I went to give it another try I checked the oil in the pony and it was full of coolant. I have drained the oil and replaced it with fresh, but I am now trying to decide if the coolant got into the oil somehow when the bolts were loose, or does it sound like it could be a bigger problem? I am going to check the compression in the cylinders but does anyone know what the compression should be? I have a shop manual for the main and the pony but it doesn't list the compression. Thanks in advance for any ideas or suggestions!

ps: the pony motor is actually from a 2U but I don't think that would make any difference
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Thu, Sep 14, 2017 9:43 AM
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Can you post a photo of the bolts you tightened so we can identify when the leak was.
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Thu, Sep 14, 2017 9:56 AM
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Can you post a photo of the bolts you tightened so we can identify when the leak was.

OK. i wont be able to post it until tomorrow night.
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Thu, Sep 14, 2017 10:29 AM
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OK. i wont be able to post it until tomorrow night.

here are pics of the left and right side of the coolant manifold bolts that came loose.
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Thu, Sep 14, 2017 11:50 PM
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here are pics of the left and right side of the coolant manifold bolts that came loose.
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Seems to me about the only way you could get coolant in the oil is through a bad head gasket or cracked head or block. I don't think the line flange bolting has anything to do with it. Do you live in cold winter country?
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Fri, Sep 15, 2017 12:39 AM
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Seems to me about the only way you could get coolant in the oil is through a bad head gasket or cracked head or block. I don't think the line flange bolting has anything to do with it. Do you live in cold winter country?


yes, I live in Northern IL, but I run 50/50 coolant mix in the block. I am afraid it might be the head gasket or a cracked block if water cant get down through the flange bolt openings. I was just kind of hoping it was the flange bolt openings since that would be a whole lot easier! I am going to do a compression check to see how much compression I have in each cylinder next. Any idea how much compression there should be? I'm thinking 80-90 pounds at least.
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Fri, Sep 15, 2017 1:57 AM
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yes, I live in Northern IL, but I run 50/50 coolant mix in the block. I am afraid it might be the head gasket or a cracked block if water cant get down through the flange bolt openings. I was just kind of hoping it was the flange bolt openings since that would be a whole lot easier! I am going to do a compression check to see how much compression I have in each cylinder next. Any idea how much compression there should be? I'm thinking 80-90 pounds at least.
They might make 80 psi new but I'd say you'd be doing good to get 60 to 75psi and I've seen them old buggers still do the job at 40 psi.
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Fri, Sep 15, 2017 3:23 AM
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They might make 80 psi new but I'd say you'd be doing good to get 60 to 75psi and I've seen them old buggers still do the job at 40 psi.


Thanks. So if the head gasket is bad or the head is cracked, that would show up in a low psi wouldn't it? I don't ant to pull the head if I don't have to.
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Fri, Sep 15, 2017 3:28 AM
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Thanks. So if the head gasket is bad or the head is cracked, that would show up in a low psi wouldn't it? I don't ant to pull the head if I don't have to.
yep low psi means there is something wrong in there!
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Fri, Sep 15, 2017 3:39 AM
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yep low psi means there is something wrong in there!
Not necessarily, depends on the size and location of the crack or leak. Are you getting any bubbles at the radiator neck?
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Fri, Sep 15, 2017 3:55 AM
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Not necessarily, depends on the size and location of the crack or leak. Are you getting any bubbles at the radiator neck?
OM--are you thinking of a hung valve or stuck piston rings? neither should have an effect on water leakage though?
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