ACMOC
Login
ACMOC
Mag Spark

Mag Spark

Showing 1 to 10 of 13 results
1
fraser05
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to fraser05
Posts: 19
Thank you received: 0
I have two bosh mags on the bench and both seem to have the same spark which is very little. Only 1 mm spark from coil right to the casing. Seems to not be enough to make it though the whole system, no spark at all through a spark plug. I'm spinning it full speed on a cordless drill. I have three rotors they all seem to have a fairly strong magnetism. Should I pull the coils out and try baking them? I have had the motor running on both of these mags in the last two months but now nothing. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jul 16, 2017 4:37 AM
Rome K/G
Offline
Send a private message to Rome K/G
Posts: 6,092
Thank you received: 0
Replace condenser, lightly sand, NOT file points and reset gap. Points should not be burnt or pitted and contact evenly.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jul 16, 2017 5:35 AM
ccjersey
Offline
Send a private message to ccjersey
Posts: 4,422
Thank you received: 0
Have you tried changing the gap on the points? What are you set on now? I think if you are getting any spark, the points are working. The condenser(capacitor) seems like a good first thing to try changing out. I cannot see why you would need to remove the coil from the mag to dry it out if you want to try. Just remove the cap so it can breathe.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jul 16, 2017 9:01 AM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,695
Thank you received: 17
Reply to ccjersey:
Have you tried changing the gap on the points? What are you set on now? I think if you are getting any spark, the points are working. The condenser(capacitor) seems like a good first thing to try changing out. I cannot see why you would need to remove the coil from the mag to dry it out if you want to try. Just remove the cap so it can breathe.
Easy enough to check if you have a multimeter.
A probe from the spark plug connector to ground should read about 6200 ohm on the Bosch Mag. 3000 to 15000 ohm should still work. Any higher is a poor connection.

Check condenser with ohm meter or capacitance check.
With ohm function probing from lead to casing should show reading go to infinity as condenser charges.
or 0.024 microfarad if you have capacitance check function on the meter. 0.015 - 0.030 microfarad should still work.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jul 16, 2017 9:40 AM
fraser05
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to fraser05
Posts: 19
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
Easy enough to check if you have a multimeter.
A probe from the spark plug connector to ground should read about 6200 ohm on the Bosch Mag. 3000 to 15000 ohm should still work. Any higher is a poor connection.

Check condenser with ohm meter or capacitance check.
With ohm function probing from lead to casing should show reading go to infinity as condenser charges.
or 0.024 microfarad if you have capacitance check function on the meter. 0.015 - 0.030 microfarad should still work.
I've cleaned and sanded the points several times and tried different gaps from .014 to .020. I took a condenser out of my pickup and put in it. It seemed to help a little about a 1/4" spark from the coil to the casing. I've ohmed the coils one 5.7 k the other 6.2 k. The points are less than 1. No short to ground. One distributor cap is much higher. Must be broke inside. The other is less than 1 from brush to prong. I haven't tried to ohm everything assembled but will. Distributor rotor is also less than 1 and 6m to ground.

What reading should you get from the wire on the grounding post from the coil to ground?
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jul 16, 2017 10:30 AM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,695
Thank you received: 17
Reply to fraser05:
I've cleaned and sanded the points several times and tried different gaps from .014 to .020. I took a condenser out of my pickup and put in it. It seemed to help a little about a 1/4" spark from the coil to the casing. I've ohmed the coils one 5.7 k the other 6.2 k. The points are less than 1. No short to ground. One distributor cap is much higher. Must be broke inside. The other is less than 1 from brush to prong. I haven't tried to ohm everything assembled but will. Distributor rotor is also less than 1 and 6m to ground.

What reading should you get from the wire on the grounding post from the coil to ground?
I would expect straight continuity (no resistance) from grounding post to ground.
Primary coil wire to ground (larger wire, fewer turns) should also have very low resistance.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jul 16, 2017 1:34 PM
fraser05
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to fraser05
Posts: 19
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
I would expect straight continuity (no resistance) from grounding post to ground.
Primary coil wire to ground (larger wire, fewer turns) should also have very low resistance.
Hold on a second. If that wire is already grounded then how does the kill switch do any good? What is the point of isolating the grounding post if the wire connected is to it from the coil is grounded?
Does anyone have a tech manual on these with a spec sheet? The cat books don't say much other than timing.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jul 16, 2017 11:53 PM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,695
Thank you received: 17
Reply to fraser05:
Hold on a second. If that wire is already grounded then how does the kill switch do any good? What is the point of isolating the grounding post if the wire connected is to it from the coil is grounded?
Does anyone have a tech manual on these with a spec sheet? The cat books don't say much other than timing.
There just doesn't seem to be a useful trouble shooting manual out there. Even AB's own manual is pretty limited. About all they say for sure is the cut off point for the coil secondary is 6200 ohm.
Attached basic magneto wiring diagram.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jul 17, 2017 1:46 AM
Soapy
Offline
Send a private message to Soapy
Posts: 399
Thank you received: 0
Reply to fraser05:
Hold on a second. If that wire is already grounded then how does the kill switch do any good? What is the point of isolating the grounding post if the wire connected is to it from the coil is grounded?
Does anyone have a tech manual on these with a spec sheet? The cat books don't say much other than timing.
[quote="fraser05"]Hold on a second. If that wire is already grounded then how does the kill switch do any good? What is the point of isolating the grounding post if the wire connected is to it from the coil is grounded?
Does anyone have a tech manual on these with a spec sheet? The cat books don't say much other than timing.[/quote]

If the spark is yellow, change the condenser. Should be blue. They will run with a yellow spark, but a real bear to get running. spark plug gap on all magneto fired engines should be 25thousands. Napa condenser will work on many applications #rr-175 If yours has the odd mount bracket, carefully drill out the spot welds, tin the bracket with solder, and after scraping the side of the new condenser, solder the bracket to it being careful with the heat applied, and cool immediately. Cap checkers are available at W.W. Granger a bit north of $65
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jul 17, 2017 2:52 AM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,695
Thank you received: 17
Reply to Soapy:
[quote="fraser05"]Hold on a second. If that wire is already grounded then how does the kill switch do any good? What is the point of isolating the grounding post if the wire connected is to it from the coil is grounded?
Does anyone have a tech manual on these with a spec sheet? The cat books don't say much other than timing.[/quote]

If the spark is yellow, change the condenser. Should be blue. They will run with a yellow spark, but a real bear to get running. spark plug gap on all magneto fired engines should be 25thousands. Napa condenser will work on many applications #rr-175 If yours has the odd mount bracket, carefully drill out the spot welds, tin the bracket with solder, and after scraping the side of the new condenser, solder the bracket to it being careful with the heat applied, and cool immediately. Cap checkers are available at W.W. Granger a bit north of $65
Per AB spec. point gap should be 0.014 - 0.018"
Should jump a 9mm spark gap with rotor turning 200 rpm.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jul 17, 2017 3:16 AM
fraser05
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to fraser05
Posts: 19
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
Per AB spec. point gap should be 0.014 - 0.018"
Should jump a 9mm spark gap with rotor turning 200 rpm.
After exasperating all things I could think of I was left with only trying turning the mag the other direction. I was tuning it clockwise looking at the gear in order to not spin the nut off with an impact gun. Tried turning the other way worked great. Don't know what was wrong in the first place that finally made me pull it back off but glad to say I've had it started twice and is running smoothly. Thanks for everyone's suggestions I'm sure it will come in handy for me having the info and other readers.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jul 17, 2017 10:13 AM
Showing 1 to 10 of 13 results
1
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

Stradsett Park Vintage Rally

Chapter Two

| Stradsett, Nr Downham Market. Norfolk PE33 9HA UK

Chapter 2 The Link Club's AGM

Chapter Two

| Faulkner Farm, West Drove, Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, PE14 7DP, UK

HAMILTON PASTURAL MUSEUM

Chapter Nineteen

| Cnr Hiller Lane and Ballarat Road, Hamilton, Vic, 3300

RUSSELL SAYWELL WORKING DAY

Chapter Two

| Pitt Farm, Little Paxton, St Neots, Cambridgeshire, PE19 6HD, UK
View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I also joined a year ago. had been on here a couple of times as a non-member and found the info very helpful so I got a one year subscription (not very expensive at all) to try it out. I really like all the resources on here so I just got a three year. I think its a very small price for what you can get out of this site."
-Jason N

Join Today!