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King of Obsolete
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yesterday i had to whip up a bigger bar starter because it was a bigger engine. to prove a point i put a pipe wrench on the drive shaft of the engine then bounced my weight on the pipe. the same pipe on the bar starter and only one hand and the engine broke free from being seized.

it is hard to believe that 30 years later i'm still using bar starters, lol.

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Sun, Jun 25, 2017 10:09 PM
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As always - nice work Koo. Need to make one for my AC HD6 !
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Mon, Jun 26, 2017 1:16 AM
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Surprised you haven't broken an armature shaft with all that torque. Straight tooth flywheel on that grader?
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Mon, Jun 26, 2017 1:20 AM
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Surprised you haven't broken an armature shaft with all that torque. Straight tooth flywheel on that grader?
Why do you have this ? I'm guessing you turn the motor with it - but not start it. Right?
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Mon, Jun 26, 2017 5:47 AM
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Why do you have this ? I'm guessing you turn the motor with it - but not start it. Right?
Ingenious. A great use for a bad starter. Nice thing is that if it broke it would be the armature and not the flywheel tooth.
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Mon, Jun 26, 2017 9:39 AM
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Ingenious. A great use for a bad starter. Nice thing is that if it broke it would be the armature and not the flywheel tooth.
well that wasnt what I expected to see when I read the heading

What a great idea


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Mon, Jun 26, 2017 10:09 AM
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well that wasnt what I expected to see when I read the heading

What a great idea


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So the purpose is to get a mechanical advantage to break loose a stuck motor ?

No one else is asking but I doubt I'm the only one who has not seen it before..
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Mon, Jun 26, 2017 10:59 AM
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Reply to TOGNOT:
So the purpose is to get a mechanical advantage to break loose a stuck motor ?

No one else is asking but I doubt I'm the only one who has not seen it before..
thanks guys. 30 years ago i tried to free up a seized motor and in the end i hurt my self and broke a tooth on the flywheel by stilling a bar in the hole and prying. while i was at the hospital getting stitches i came up witht he idea of the bar starter. there are teeth to teeth and everything is centre when applying the power to break the engine free. i never thought my welds would hold on the armature because of the copper effecting the welds but 30 years later the welds are still in good shape.

old magnet -- the motor is a UD-16 which is very different work on because things are just alittle different from a td-9 and td-18. the flywheel is a straight tooth.

as of sunday night the heads are back on the engine and ready to be test fired once the gasket goo is dried.

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Mon, Jun 26, 2017 11:13 AM
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thanks guys. 30 years ago i tried to free up a seized motor and in the end i hurt my self and broke a tooth on the flywheel by stilling a bar in the hole and prying. while i was at the hospital getting stitches i came up witht he idea of the bar starter. there are teeth to teeth and everything is centre when applying the power to break the engine free. i never thought my welds would hold on the armature because of the copper effecting the welds but 30 years later the welds are still in good shape.

old magnet -- the motor is a UD-16 which is very different work on because things are just alittle different from a td-9 and td-18. the flywheel is a straight tooth.

as of sunday night the heads are back on the engine and ready to be test fired once the gasket goo is dried.

thansk
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there is a page on my website for the bar starter.

http://kingofobsolete.ca/KING'S_BAR_STARTER_WEBPAGE.html

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Wed, Jun 28, 2017 4:05 AM
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there is a page on my website for the bar starter.

http://kingofobsolete.ca/KING'S_BAR_STARTER_WEBPAGE.html

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I wouldn't have given that much of a chance of working if I had seen it when you were building it with the copper contamination in that weld. Maybe it makes it better? You did something right on it.
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Wed, Jun 28, 2017 6:29 AM
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I wouldn't have given that much of a chance of working if I had seen it when you were building it with the copper contamination in that weld. Maybe it makes it better? You did something right on it.
yes, over the years the talk about the welding on the copper has been well discussed. the first starter built in 1987 was welded with an AC machine with 7014 rod and only one pass. 30 years later the weld are still holding. the latest bar starter was welded on june 24 2017 using a small mig welder and just did a little grinding to fluff up the surface. i did 3 passes on it and the welds held.

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Wed, Jun 28, 2017 6:44 AM
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