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my D46u calls for 90 weight in the finals and transmission. it also says it should be basic mineral oil. i know these specs are old and a newer speced oil would probably be better. do i need to be careful of GL5 oils that might attack the bronze or rubber in the seals? in the old D6D i used to use 50 weight cat transmission oil. should i just use this oil instead of 90 weight? i have to make a trip to Ma Cat later this week to pick up some cutting edges and i thought i would pick up some oil for the finals and transmission while i was there.😞
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My opinion is to use the current spec 70-90 weight oil of your choice. I use one gear lube, an 85-140 multi weight, in everything here except some newer limited slip differentials. I have used 50 wt in the transmission of our D69U. That was mainly because of the volume required ($$$$) and the fact that i had a barrel of Chevron Delo 100 50 weight I had no other use for. Seemed to work out fine in both engine and transmission 😊

I think the modern gear lubes are back compatable with older spec fluids.
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Thu, Jun 1, 2017 5:19 AM
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My opinion is to use the current spec 70-90 weight oil of your choice. I use one gear lube, an 85-140 multi weight, in everything here except some newer limited slip differentials. I have used 50 wt in the transmission of our D69U. That was mainly because of the volume required ($$$$) and the fact that i had a barrel of Chevron Delo 100 50 weight I had no other use for. Seemed to work out fine in both engine and transmission 😊

I think the modern gear lubes are back compatable with older spec fluids.
You can make the study and discussion of oil a hobby in itself. look at a recent post by me on this topic, there is a good link to a guy smarter than me about relevant oil issues in older motors.

Just FYI, from Walmart .com I recently ordered enough 85-90 gear oil and Mobil delvac 15-40 SHIPPED ( to change all fluids in my D6) to me for way less than any others price. If I recall the 15-40 was about $12.00 shipped per gallon.

My conclusion after a few days of reading was modern oils are fine, when using the correct type.
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Thu, Jun 1, 2017 5:49 AM
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You can make the study and discussion of oil a hobby in itself. look at a recent post by me on this topic, there is a good link to a guy smarter than me about relevant oil issues in older motors.

Just FYI, from Walmart .com I recently ordered enough 85-90 gear oil and Mobil delvac 15-40 SHIPPED ( to change all fluids in my D6) to me for way less than any others price. If I recall the 15-40 was about $12.00 shipped per gallon.

My conclusion after a few days of reading was modern oils are fine, when using the correct type.
I use the GL-1 in my finals and transmission, don't want the GL-5 attacking the brass.
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Thu, Jun 1, 2017 7:48 AM
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I use the GL-1 in my finals and transmission, don't want the GL-5 attacking the brass.



yes i don't want any EP additives attacking any of the seals or brass in my tractor. but i read somewhere that GL5 with the MT1 classification was safe. any discussion on that would be greatly appreciated.
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Thu, Jun 1, 2017 9:53 AM
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You can make the study and discussion of oil a hobby in itself. look at a recent post by me on this topic, there is a good link to a guy smarter than me about relevant oil issues in older motors.

Just FYI, from Walmart .com I recently ordered enough 85-90 gear oil and Mobil delvac 15-40 SHIPPED ( to change all fluids in my D6) to me for way less than any others price. If I recall the 15-40 was about $12.00 shipped per gallon.

My conclusion after a few days of reading was modern oils are fine, when using the correct type.
[quote="TOGNOT"]You can make the study and discussion of oil a hobby in itself. look at a recent post by me on this topic, there is a good link to a guy smarter than me about relevant oil issues in older motors.

Just FYI, from Walmart .com I recently ordered enough 85-90 gear oil and Mobil delvac 15-40 SHIPPED ( to change all fluids in my D6) to me for way less than any others price. If I recall the 15-40 was about $12.00 shipped per gallon.

My conclusion after a few days of reading was modern oils are fine, when using the correct type.[/quote]

would you please link to this discussion? i can't find it
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Thu, Jun 1, 2017 9:54 AM
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[quote="TOGNOT"]You can make the study and discussion of oil a hobby in itself. look at a recent post by me on this topic, there is a good link to a guy smarter than me about relevant oil issues in older motors.

Just FYI, from Walmart .com I recently ordered enough 85-90 gear oil and Mobil delvac 15-40 SHIPPED ( to change all fluids in my D6) to me for way less than any others price. If I recall the 15-40 was about $12.00 shipped per gallon.

My conclusion after a few days of reading was modern oils are fine, when using the correct type.[/quote]

would you please link to this discussion? i can't find it
Click on my screen name :Tognot . You can then go to " my posts" on 5-13-17 I posted the link. I tried to copy and put here but no luck.
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Click on my screen name :Tognot . You can then go to " my posts" on 5-13-17 I posted the link. I tried to copy and put here but no luck.


Thanks. i found it. it is funny because the Cat 50 w transmission oil has a higher viscosity at temp than the 90 weight gear oil. but according to the article viscosity is bad. i found this in another forum>>Interesting The forestry corp run a few 65's & 85's they had final drive problems at low hours so they ran one with 30 in one side 90 in the other. The 30 side failed early as usual the 90 side was good did the same again, same problem so 90 in the winter 140 in summer months and those machines did big hours with no final drive issues again
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Thu, Jun 1, 2017 6:59 PM
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Thanks. i found it. it is funny because the Cat 50 w transmission oil has a higher viscosity at temp than the 90 weight gear oil. but according to the article viscosity is bad. i found this in another forum>>Interesting The forestry corp run a few 65's & 85's they had final drive problems at low hours so they ran one with 30 in one side 90 in the other. The 30 side failed early as usual the 90 side was good did the same again, same problem so 90 in the winter 140 in summer months and those machines did big hours with no final drive issues again
Nope! :nono:
A young Collector down in Illinois spent the better part of a winter searching answers on backwards compatibility of gear oil. He went so far as to call the manufacturers to talk to the chemists. What he found is they are not! He now has Chevron mix him up some GL1 oil for his transmissions and other stuff.
Price?
Honestly its comparable to store bought for price. He calls them and orders, they mix it when they have time and ship it to his closest distributor.
BTW πŸ‘
I found out that Tractor Supply carries a "GL1" Mineral Oil for the old Ford tractors that is rated as 90W.
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Fri, Jun 2, 2017 9:37 AM
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Nope! :nono:
A young Collector down in Illinois spent the better part of a winter searching answers on backwards compatibility of gear oil. He went so far as to call the manufacturers to talk to the chemists. What he found is they are not! He now has Chevron mix him up some GL1 oil for his transmissions and other stuff.
Price?
Honestly its comparable to store bought for price. He calls them and orders, they mix it when they have time and ship it to his closest distributor.
BTW πŸ‘
I found out that Tractor Supply carries a "GL1" Mineral Oil for the old Ford tractors that is rated as 90W.
For the oil experts....
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Fri, Jun 2, 2017 12:53 PM
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For the oil experts....


Thanks Magnet. I enjoy your sense of humor πŸ‘ so according to the above chart a 90 weight transmission oil that has EP properties has a broader viscosity operation range than 50 weight gear oil. trust Ma CatπŸ˜›op2:
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