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jstandle
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Hello,

I've searched for "packing" and have come up with info on water pumps, cover gaskets, etc but nothing in regards to the shifter tower. My "new" 1949 D4 7U would only shift in to 1st and reverse and the neutral travel was so limited I couldn't even get over to the 3/4 gates.

After taking the tower off I found it was a real mess inside. The boot had been shot long ago allowing moisture and dirt to collect. The cover that the spring sits on is in real poor shape but I think I can continue to use after I straightened it up:

Before:
[attachment=40713]d4shifter3.jpg[/attachment]

From searching I have found that a CV boot made by Dorman should work as a shift boot replacement, part # 614-001. A cheaper alternative to the CAT boot.

But, I'm not finding the packing or an alternative to the packing. There was zero packing in this shifter so I assume it was serviced and removed or it completely disintegrated over time.

I thought for one option I could purchase some graphite impregnated rope that is used for fire place gaskets and coil it in to that space but I would be afraid of it slipping out and binding up inside.

Another thought was to cut down a cheap felt wool arbor buffer wheel like this: http://a.co/3Z7NZnX

I could just soak that good in oil and the 1/2" thickness should fit the gap just right;

[attachment=40714]d4shifter1b.jpg[/attachment]

Also, while we are on the subject of the shifter, does anyone know what the purpose is of this hole I'm pointing at in the picture? I don't see a corresponding hole in the transmission top cover or the shift top cover. I was hoping it was a hole that allowed grease or oil to get in to the shift ball but apparently not.

[attachment=40715]d4shifter2.jpg[/attachment]

I've also acquired a D2 5J that must have the same issue, it's shifter won't move at all so I'll be doing the same on it soon.

Thanks!
Jordan
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017 10:33 AM
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Check with Florin Tractor, I believe they have a reasonable aftermarket boot.
If I remember right the last time I bought Cat packing for the shifter the part number had been upgraded to a plastic beveled ring that is far superior to that garbage packing. I've also seen a fat 0-ring used that was much better than the graphite packing. You really need to replace some of those rotten parts if you expect it to work properly.
Some of those internal parts go way back to where a dowel pin used the holes in question.
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017 12:24 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Check with Florin Tractor, I believe they have a reasonable aftermarket boot.
If I remember right the last time I bought Cat packing for the shifter the part number had been upgraded to a plastic beveled ring that is far superior to that garbage packing. I've also seen a fat 0-ring used that was much better than the graphite packing. You really need to replace some of those rotten parts if you expect it to work properly.
Some of those internal parts go way back to where a dowel pin used the holes in question.
[quote="Old Magnet"]Check with Florin Tractor, I believe they have a reasonable aftermarket boot.
If I remember right the last time I bought Cat packing for the shifter the part number had been upgraded to a plastic beveled ring that is far superior to that garbage packing. I've also seen a fat 0-ring used that was much better than the graphite packing. You really need to replace some of those rotten parts if you expect it to work properly.
Some of those internal parts go way back to where a dowel pin used the holes in question.[/quote]

Thanks for the info! At this point I'm just trying to get the machine somewhat operational so I can sort out all the big problems first. Once I get that far I'll come back and fix/repair/replace the smaller issues like that rotten shift cover.

Thanks,
Jordan
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017 12:32 PM
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[quote="Old Magnet"]Check with Florin Tractor, I believe they have a reasonable aftermarket boot.
If I remember right the last time I bought Cat packing for the shifter the part number had been upgraded to a plastic beveled ring that is far superior to that garbage packing. I've also seen a fat 0-ring used that was much better than the graphite packing. You really need to replace some of those rotten parts if you expect it to work properly.
Some of those internal parts go way back to where a dowel pin used the holes in question.[/quote]

Thanks for the info! At this point I'm just trying to get the machine somewhat operational so I can sort out all the big problems first. Once I get that far I'll come back and fix/repair/replace the smaller issues like that rotten shift cover.

Thanks,
Jordan
I haven't gotten to the packing yet but I did decide to try my hand at "doming" to reproduce the cup that the spring sits on. My first attempt was with the end of an oil filter, that came out so easy I decided to do it with a piece of heavier sheet metal more similar to the original. Low and behold, pretty easy. Just found a piece of pipe that was a little larger than the part I wanted to make and started at it with a large ball-peen hammer. Started in the middle, and in circular pattern worked outward and just kept caressing it until the dome shape was similar to the original part. Cut it out with some sheet metal cutters, drilled a hole and slid it on. After it was on I hammered on it a little more to smooth it out over the factory cast piece to make it a perfect fit;

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The shift tower on my D2 was worse than the D4 so I made an extra cup for it. After I dissembled it I put it in a 5 gallon bucket to perform easy rust removal, aka electrolysis;

[attachment=41319]6.jpg[/attachment][attachment=41318]5.jpg[/attachment]

I think it will clean up well enough to re-use but we'll see.

Jordan
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I haven't gotten to the packing yet but I did decide to try my hand at "doming" to reproduce the cup that the spring sits on. My first attempt was with the end of an oil filter, that came out so easy I decided to do it with a piece of heavier sheet metal more similar to the original. Low and behold, pretty easy. Just found a piece of pipe that was a little larger than the part I wanted to make and started at it with a large ball-peen hammer. Started in the middle, and in circular pattern worked outward and just kept caressing it until the dome shape was similar to the original part. Cut it out with some sheet metal cutters, drilled a hole and slid it on. After it was on I hammered on it a little more to smooth it out over the factory cast piece to make it a perfect fit;

[attachment=41314]1.jpg[/attachment][attachment=41315]2.jpg[/attachment][attachment=41316]3.jpg[/attachment][attachment=41317]4.jpg[/attachment]

The shift tower on my D2 was worse than the D4 so I made an extra cup for it. After I dissembled it I put it in a 5 gallon bucket to perform easy rust removal, aka electrolysis;

[attachment=41319]6.jpg[/attachment][attachment=41318]5.jpg[/attachment]

I think it will clean up well enough to re-use but we'll see.

Jordan
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Worked on finding updated part numbers today, I think these are all correct:

Spring Cover: old L-887 new 0L-0887 price $9.31
Spring: old L-1045 new 0L-1045 price $9.91
Cover: old L-888 new 0L-0888 price $25.50
Packing: old L-974 new 6Y-8815 price $14.30
Bearing Cover: old 1A5592 new 1A-5592 price $21.82
Centering Ring: old 3B5380 new 1A-6775 price $20.71
Handle: old L-1170 new 0L-1170 price $5.09

I will order the new packing from our local Cat dealership and see how that works.

Jordan
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Tue, Apr 18, 2017 4:49 AM
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Reply to jstandle:
Worked on finding updated part numbers today, I think these are all correct:

Spring Cover: old L-887 new 0L-0887 price $9.31
Spring: old L-1045 new 0L-1045 price $9.91
Cover: old L-888 new 0L-0888 price $25.50
Packing: old L-974 new 6Y-8815 price $14.30
Bearing Cover: old 1A5592 new 1A-5592 price $21.82
Centering Ring: old 3B5380 new 1A-6775 price $20.71
Handle: old L-1170 new 0L-1170 price $5.09

I will order the new packing from our local Cat dealership and see how that works.

Jordan
you need to see this one http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?26634-Getting-projects-out-of-the-way-is-one-way-to-tidy-up-the-shop
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Thanks!

Jordan
Picked up the new version of the packing from Caterpillar, part number 6Y8815 and here is what it looks like installed on old rusty parts;

[attachment=41958]packing.jpg[/attachment]

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Fri, May 5, 2017 5:32 AM
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Reply to jstandle:
Picked up the new version of the packing from Caterpillar, part number 6Y8815 and here is what it looks like installed on old rusty parts;

[attachment=41958]packing.jpg[/attachment]

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Is that material a plastic of some sort?
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Fri, May 5, 2017 12:03 PM
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Is that material a plastic of some sort?


Looks like UHMW Plastic, its very durable
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Fri, May 5, 2017 10:01 PM
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Looks like UHMW Plastic, its very durable


Yeah, UHMW, delrin or teflon, something like that. Feels tough.
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