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ChevyD2
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My dad and I have a new to us 1940 D2 5J and we went to change the oil filter and there was a time delay in the removal and insulation. so we cant remember which way the filter went. but we ran the dozer and noticed that the oil pressure was 3-5 on a unknown aftermarket oil gauge we had laying around and wanted some help. the hour meter says just over 8,000 hours if read right.
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Looks like you have it right with the larger hole of the disposable element up.
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Tue, Feb 7, 2017 12:28 PM
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Looks like you have it right with the larger hole of the disposable element up.
what I'm trying to figure out is which way the brass adapter goes in the main filter housing? And if we had it in right the first time, what oil pressure should we expect. we turned off the motor when we saw the oil pressure.
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Tue, Feb 7, 2017 1:51 PM
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what I'm trying to figure out is which way the brass adapter goes in the main filter housing? And if we had it in right the first time, what oil pressure should we expect. we turned off the motor when we saw the oil pressure.
The brass filter goes in the base like an inverted cup, small hole up. Looking at the brass again, is there two screens jammed together? Why are there two ribs at the large end? I haven't messed with the transition filter systems before and memory needs refreshing.
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Tue, Feb 7, 2017 7:35 PM
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what I'm trying to figure out is which way the brass adapter goes in the main filter housing? And if we had it in right the first time, what oil pressure should we expect. we turned off the motor when we saw the oil pressure.
As you can see in this Bulletin, if you are at 70 degrees ambient with 30 weight Oil, then your uncalibrated Gauge maybe correct.
You didn't say where you are located, what weight of oil, nor did you state what engine speed you checked the pressure at.
As I remember, the Brass nipple sticking out of the Brass Screen enclosure(Pre-Filter) goes down when placed in the housing.
If no one corrects me, I'll look it up tonight to verify. (STEPHEN posted while I was typing, now I am CONFUSED!)
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Tue, Feb 7, 2017 7:48 PM
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Reply to drujinin:
As you can see in this Bulletin, if you are at 70 degrees ambient with 30 weight Oil, then your uncalibrated Gauge maybe correct.
You didn't say where you are located, what weight of oil, nor did you state what engine speed you checked the pressure at.
As I remember, the Brass nipple sticking out of the Brass Screen enclosure(Pre-Filter) goes down when placed in the housing.
If no one corrects me, I'll look it up tonight to verify. (STEPHEN posted while I was typing, now I am CONFUSED!)
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Look at the pics, looks like what you have, would help if you included your ser# as there are changes. Looks like you have the 7B7775 style? With the two ribs at the top.
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Tue, Feb 7, 2017 9:37 PM
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Reply to drujinin:
As you can see in this Bulletin, if you are at 70 degrees ambient with 30 weight Oil, then your uncalibrated Gauge maybe correct.
You didn't say where you are located, what weight of oil, nor did you state what engine speed you checked the pressure at.
As I remember, the Brass nipple sticking out of the Brass Screen enclosure(Pre-Filter) goes down when placed in the housing.
If no one corrects me, I'll look it up tonight to verify. (STEPHEN posted while I was typing, now I am CONFUSED!)
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Tue, Feb 7, 2017 9:39 PM
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we were operating in late august and the oil was measured at 3/4 throttle and at idle and it didn't change much. we were running strait 30 wt detergent oil. located in Portland Or. the brass filter dosen't look like there is two crammed together. Here is the ser number and another picture I have of the adapter.
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Wed, Feb 8, 2017 12:22 AM
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we were operating in late august and the oil was measured at 3/4 throttle and at idle and it didn't change much. we were running strait 30 wt detergent oil. located in Portland Or. the brass filter dosen't look like there is two crammed together. Here is the ser number and another picture I have of the adapter.
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OK I've gotta finish what I started to write before, but in the form of a question.

This filter is of the bypass type, so it does not control oil pressure regardless of how it is assembled does it? Oil flow is controlled as bypass before it gets to the filter.

On a full flow there are bypasses as part of the filter so it does not stop all oil flow, but not a bypass system right?

I started to write this as a definitive statement earlier and then realized I maybe did not have a clue so deleted it because I had to get outta here to class.

Thank you for the response.
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Wed, Feb 8, 2017 8:01 AM
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OK I've gotta finish what I started to write before, but in the form of a question.

This filter is of the bypass type, so it does not control oil pressure regardless of how it is assembled does it? Oil flow is controlled as bypass before it gets to the filter.

On a full flow there are bypasses as part of the filter so it does not stop all oil flow, but not a bypass system right?

I started to write this as a definitive statement earlier and then realized I maybe did not have a clue so deleted it because I had to get outta here to class.

Thank you for the response.
Now that you explain it that way. I do remember there being a spring/ball bypass down below for the oil cooler and I do believe you are right in that there is a second spring/ball set down below to bypass excessive pressure. But the screen section is full flow and a small portion goes through the inner filter. You would never want unfiltered oil to circulate through the engine hence it goes through the outer screen housing.
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Wed, Feb 8, 2017 8:20 AM
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Now that you explain it that way. I do remember there being a spring/ball bypass down below for the oil cooler and I do believe you are right in that there is a second spring/ball set down below to bypass excessive pressure. But the screen section is full flow and a small portion goes through the inner filter. You would never want unfiltered oil to circulate through the engine hence it goes through the outer screen housing.
Thanks for the response drujinin,

OK, I understand your explanation why the filter must be installed correctly, but my point is still oil pressure is not a valid way to validate the filter install as the pressure is handled as you say by spring ball checks, no?
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