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D6 9U dry clutch vibration ?

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TOGNOT
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Greetings, I am researching a problem on the above mentioned CAT. I found it for sale and the owner disclosed a vibration at high idle , but no vibration while under load ( working). He recalls some CAT experts telling him there were 6 bushings in the clutch area that needed replacement. I have done some searching here and see that due to misalignment there can be problems with the D6 dry clutch.

Because I am trying to decide to buy or not, what is the worst case scenario ( clutch related). I know there are no guarantees on opinions, but many of yours (opinions) is better than one of mine.

Can this clutch be serviced/ replaced in frame ? Oilslick would probably do all the labor for free, but I would have to buy his dinner (for 5 years)

Thanks for the input !
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Sat, Jan 28, 2017 8:33 AM
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Hi TOGNOT,

I notice a typo, you mentioned that Oilslick would do the work for 'free', actually the r is a typo you would have meant to write 'fee'.

You should also know that Oilslick has gone on a see food diet, he sees food and eats it, would be a very expensive fee over 5 years.

7upuller told me it was pick on Oilslick decade.

Sorry I cant help you with the vibration issue.

Wombat
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Sat, Jan 28, 2017 8:49 AM
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Reply to Wombat:
Hi TOGNOT,

I notice a typo, you mentioned that Oilslick would do the work for 'free', actually the r is a typo you would have meant to write 'fee'.

You should also know that Oilslick has gone on a see food diet, he sees food and eats it, would be a very expensive fee over 5 years.

7upuller told me it was pick on Oilslick decade.

Sorry I cant help you with the vibration issue.

Wombat
[quote="Wombat"]Hi TOGNOT,

I notice a typo, you mentioned that Oilslick would do the work for 'free', actually the r is a typo you would have meant to write 'fee'.

You should also know that Oilslick has gone on a see food diet, he sees food and eats it, would be a very expensive fee over 5 years.

7upuller told me it was pick on Oilslick decade.

Sorry I cant help you with the vibration issue.

Wombat[/quote]
Hahaha good one Wombat. Slick does have a healthy appetite; Tognot, he is partial to prime rib and lobster tails.....just make sure he is fed after he has done some wrenching. I hear he get sleepy after a full meal and needs an 8 hour "power nap" afterwards to ward off indigestion.
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Sat, Jan 28, 2017 10:46 AM
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Reply to juiceman:
[quote="Wombat"]Hi TOGNOT,

I notice a typo, you mentioned that Oilslick would do the work for 'free', actually the r is a typo you would have meant to write 'fee'.

You should also know that Oilslick has gone on a see food diet, he sees food and eats it, would be a very expensive fee over 5 years.

7upuller told me it was pick on Oilslick decade.

Sorry I cant help you with the vibration issue.

Wombat[/quote]
Hahaha good one Wombat. Slick does have a healthy appetite; Tognot, he is partial to prime rib and lobster tails.....just make sure he is fed after he has done some wrenching. I hear he get sleepy after a full meal and needs an 8 hour "power nap" afterwards to ward off indigestion.
I got spoiled working for Pops. He feeds his gang very well! Had to go on a diet 😊

Tognot, if steak and lobster are on the menu I'll be there 😊
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Sun, Jan 29, 2017 9:12 AM
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I got spoiled working for Pops. He feeds his gang very well! Had to go on a diet 😊

Tognot, if steak and lobster are on the menu I'll be there 😊
Ok all good points about fellow member Oilslick . But - no one cares to make a guess as to the issue that would cause a vibration at idle and not be felt under load ?

Cracked flywheel ?
Bad muffler bearings ?
Incorrect piston return springs ?

Clearly I am out of good ideas..
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Mon, Jan 30, 2017 3:43 AM
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Reply to TOGNOT:
Ok all good points about fellow member Oilslick . But - no one cares to make a guess as to the issue that would cause a vibration at idle and not be felt under load ?

Cracked flywheel ?
Bad muffler bearings ?
Incorrect piston return springs ?

Clearly I am out of good ideas..
The usual vibration problems are related to thermoid links and/or engine to transmission alignment.
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Mon, Jan 30, 2017 5:45 AM
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Reply to TOGNOT:
Ok all good points about fellow member Oilslick . But - no one cares to make a guess as to the issue that would cause a vibration at idle and not be felt under load ?

Cracked flywheel ?
Bad muffler bearings ?
Incorrect piston return springs ?

Clearly I am out of good ideas..
Hi TOGNOT,
usual suspects are as OM has said, is often caused by failure/wear to front engine support rubber bush/bearing, bent chassis rails from trees/rocks falling on the blade etc. along with shims coming out from under the engine to chassis support mounts.

Also check your Low Idle RPM is at least 550 RPM , maybe run the engine slightly faster and see if the vibration eases.

Check the fan belt for smooth running at idle, ie, does not seem to go tight and slack erratically due to a failed harmonic damper. When the rubber band starts to dislodge the damper does not do its job as designed so the front of the crankshaft whips back and forth with the harmonics of the engine firing--the front end moves thus as the opposite end has the flywheel and clutch to steady it.
Erratic engine idling caused by worn governor parts, faulty injector leaking combustion gasses back into injection pump fuel gallery are some things that come to mind to check if engine to transmission alignment is ruled out.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Mon, Jan 30, 2017 6:40 AM
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Hi TOGNOT,
usual suspects are as OM has said, is often caused by failure/wear to front engine support rubber bush/bearing, bent chassis rails from trees/rocks falling on the blade etc. along with shims coming out from under the engine to chassis support mounts.

Also check your Low Idle RPM is at least 550 RPM , maybe run the engine slightly faster and see if the vibration eases.

Check the fan belt for smooth running at idle, ie, does not seem to go tight and slack erratically due to a failed harmonic damper. When the rubber band starts to dislodge the damper does not do its job as designed so the front of the crankshaft whips back and forth with the harmonics of the engine firing--the front end moves thus as the opposite end has the flywheel and clutch to steady it.
Erratic engine idling caused by worn governor parts, faulty injector leaking combustion gasses back into injection pump fuel gallery are some things that come to mind to check if engine to transmission alignment is ruled out.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
For the valuable tips. That give me some items to check out and do a little research to investigate possible repairs before purchase . I hereby order Oilslick to buy each of you a steak dinner !
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Mon, Jan 30, 2017 7:31 AM
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For the valuable tips. That give me some items to check out and do a little research to investigate possible repairs before purchase . I hereby order Oilslick to buy each of you a steak dinner !
The 8U/9U does not use a harmonic damper. The front pulley is rigid. There is a rubber bushing which is part of the front engine support that protrudes from the front timing cover and isolates between the cover and the bushing support. If this rubber goes bad is can allow the front of the engine to drop and contribute to misalignment between engine and transmission/clutch.
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