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Magard
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Hi all I am looking for some advise on a 12e grader I'm looking to by. I don't know much about it and I haven't talked serious money but I would like some info on these machines. I believe it has a d 333 engine I'm going to try and post pictures of the serial number of engine and machine. The turn table gears and teeth seem to be in fairly good shape looks like it doesn't have a lot of abuse. Sounds like it was maybe a farm blade. It is missing the hydraulic pump I was told that is why it was parked. Here's the pics. Any info on them will be helpful. Engine serial has some stamping under the plate was wondering if that indicated rebuilt engine or something. Tell me what you think.
96f1407 series D on engine.
99e551 on machine.

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Fri, Jul 29, 2016 2:20 PM
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Most likely a replacement engine out of something else.......can't tell you what. The later 3304/3306 etc was the first engine series that had a separate/different engine serial number from the machines they were installed in.

The 99E is an oil clutch machine so its unlikely to need replacement.

Still was the old knuckle buster manual control box. Wear gloves! You really want to run this thing and see that the circle turn mechanism and lift on each side works well enough. You can force the blade down and pick the front wheels off the ground if the lift clutches are good.

Been several threads about old graders here lately. Deas has contributed a lot of pointers on them.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Fri, Jul 29, 2016 7:26 PM
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Most likely a replacement engine out of something else.......can't tell you what. The later 3304/3306 etc was the first engine series that had a separate/different engine serial number from the machines they were installed in.

The 99E is an oil clutch machine so its unlikely to need replacement.

Still was the old knuckle buster manual control box. Wear gloves! You really want to run this thing and see that the circle turn mechanism and lift on each side works well enough. You can force the blade down and pick the front wheels off the ground if the lift clutches are good.

Been several threads about old graders here lately. Deas has contributed a lot of pointers on them.
Can anybody tell me what engine this is off of serial #.
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Fri, Jul 29, 2016 11:09 PM
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Can anybody tell me what engine this is off of serial #.
96F is the 14D series grader, 1964.
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Fri, Jul 29, 2016 11:26 PM
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Reply to josh:
96F is the 14D series grader, 1964.
So this engine is out of a later grader. Would this engine be a d333 or a 3306
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Fri, Jul 29, 2016 11:35 PM
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Reply to Magard:
Can anybody tell me what engine this is off of serial #.
99E0551 is a 1959 12E model with D333a engine
96F1407 is a 1964 14D model with D333Ta engine

You'd have to get up into the early 70's to get into the 3306's or the late 60's to get the D333c's with 4-3/4" bores.
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Fri, Jul 29, 2016 11:40 PM
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99E0551 is a 1959 12E model with D333a engine
96F1407 is a 1964 14D model with D333Ta engine

You'd have to get up into the early 70's to get into the 3306's or the late 60's to get the D333c's with 4-3/4" bores.
Any one have any ideas on the numbers stamped under the serial plate in the pics. It sounds like it has a different engine from original. I'm wondering if these stamps might indicate a rebuild.
Thanks for info.
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Sat, Jul 30, 2016 12:06 AM
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Any one have any ideas on the numbers stamped under the serial plate in the pics. It sounds like it has a different engine from original. I'm wondering if these stamps might indicate a rebuild.
Thanks for info.
I don't recognize those stamped numbers as being anything meaningful other than 1964 production is s/n 1101 to 1590. May be some engine parts interchanged????
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Sat, Jul 30, 2016 12:41 AM
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I don't recognize those stamped numbers as being anything meaningful other than 1964 production is s/n 1101 to 1590. May be some engine parts interchanged????
So the d333 from 1964 era still doesn't have the best reputation or were they fixed by then.
Old Magnet it stands to reason your previous post about early engine failures as to why this grader has a different engine than it came with.
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Sat, Jul 30, 2016 1:37 AM
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So the d333 from 1964 era still doesn't have the best reputation or were they fixed by then.
Old Magnet it stands to reason your previous post about early engine failures as to why this grader has a different engine than it came with.
Improvements were made throughout D330/333a production to where they became a pretty good engine at the D330/333C's with the best becoming the 3304/3306's but by then most of the changes were with bolt on items. Production requirements for those early engines have long since passed and are certainly adequate for the occasional use applications provided parts are still available and the operator is aware of wear limitations, operating temperatures, cooling requirements etc. in other words can baby their units.
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Sat, Jul 30, 2016 1:56 AM
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Improvements were made throughout D330/333a production to where they became a pretty good engine at the D330/333C's with the best becoming the 3304/3306's but by then most of the changes were with bolt on items. Production requirements for those early engines have long since passed and are certainly adequate for the occasional use applications provided parts are still available and the operator is aware of wear limitations, operating temperatures, cooling requirements etc. in other words can baby their units.
Hi Magard,
as it was explained to me way back when by the then Warranty Supervisor at The Dealer, the stamped numbers under the Serial Number plate are a production line Block Number. Some times Cat asked for these numbers to be included in Service Reports if they were tracing a possible problem in the engine series.

As an Apprentice, during my time in Warranty, I had to record all Block Numbers on the machine inspection reports.
Engines would be produced for different applications and it helped keep track of individual blocks/engines that came down the line in succession but went to varied applications.

These were a very solid and reliable engine in their day.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Sat, Jul 30, 2016 6:43 AM
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