hey 22rimfire dont worry about what people say on here to much if you put what you thought was a fair price they would pick it apart this is broken thats crook this no good just gotta think it was only a week or so ago on here a fella put up about a D6 like yours for $1000 that he has come across but doesnt run and hasnt run for years but had fairly good walking gear we were all telling him me included it was a bargain and snap it up before some one else does

now their giving you hard time for a machine thats running and has good walking gear because you knocked back $1500 theres just no pleasing some people they knock you for saying no to $1500 they also knock you for asking what a fair price if they were honest they would agree $1500 is way to cheap
They can also go on about what they reckon scrap price blah blah blah it doesnt matter you asked for a fair price well if it was in this wide brown land $15000-$20000 would be a fair price for one in good nick so I guess about half that for in the US would be about right

And also remember even if you did chuck it on the scrap bin no doubt the same crew would knock you for that as well

so dont take it to heart you do what you think is right people will always knock no matter what you do

good luck with it all

Paul

I have to go with Paul on this one...looks to me like the first insult was the $1500 offer. So lets all pile on a newby & possibly run him off forever? That's a good way to keep the board running, guys...

Hey Team,

I have been thinking of this thread. The first thing that comes to mind is, Not Cool.... It's been like a feeding frenzy.. I personally don't do business on line in plain eyes for all to see. It usually ends up with too many opinions. I own a lot of tractors... None of them are as low as the figures posted. I would have taken that price as an insult too. I don't think I would have responded back in public like that. I would have asked to do business or communicate in Private. I am just shocked at the pack of wolves responses I've read. Not Cool.... This type of posting that I have read doesn't make me proud that I'm a Acmoc member.
Glen

That's one of the topics listed in the Tech Library section to be listed under "Value" as in recent sales. Hopefully that will become the point of reference and keep the "yappers" at bay.

I have been watching this thread also and I agree it has gotten a bit out of line. I'm going to run down the posts from the beginning here and provide a bit of commentary or observation about them.

We all have to keep in mind that written words often come across differently in tone and inflection to the reader than they were intended to by the writer. We do all need to give each other the benefit of the doubt. Having said that, here is what I think about the above exchanges:

Post 1 - 22rimfire - I feel your first post was reasonable, you give a nice description of your tractor and provided a photo and asked opinions about value.

Post 2 - lady cat skinner - I feel your post was respectful, responsive, you indicate where you are and that you are interested in buying 22rimfire's tractor, even explaining a bit about why. You provide an offer. That offer is, I'm sure, indicative of your thoughts on value with the information you have at hand, which is exactly what 22rimfire was asking for.

Post 3 - 22rimfire - your reply is a bit terse, to me, and is just a bit out of line. As some of the others have indicated, I would question whether a scrapyard would pay $3,000 for a 22,000 pound tractor. Some on here would probably consider your comment about the scrapyard a bit inflammatory. We are, after all, a tractor and history preservation website. You may not have thought about that, though, when composing your reply.

Post 4 - monserandsons - Your reply is a little short too, so is a little more at risk of people reading meaning into it. Because I recognize you and have followed your posts on here for some time, I know that you, like me, are probably calling into question 22rimfire's assessment of the scrap value of the tractor. Here in the Bakersfield, California area, the last load of scrap we sent earlier this week paid $21.00 per ton (2,000 pounds) for clean, sorted and sized good steel. At a likely 22,000 pounds, or 11 tons, 22rimfire's D6 9U would have net $231.00 last week, had my crew bothered to clean it, cut it into four foot minus chunks and hauled it in. Of course, we would have had the additional cost of that preparation, of disposing of all the oil and fluids, the rubber hoses, belts and other stuff, and the freight to get it all to the yard, so we would have actually lost money on the deal.

At this point, I kind of had the feeling that 22rimfire was a little insulted by lady cat skinner's offer and came back with a response which was calculated to be similarly insulting or stinging. It might have been a little more constructive for 22rimfire to have recognized that lady cat skinner was simply responding to his request for feedback. He didn't, after all, provide any parameters or indication of his thoughts. Still, I wouldn't have said that 22rimfire's reply was too out of line. Likewise, while monserandsons reply was short and to the point, he clearly was trying to provide some independent feedback on the $1,500 offered by lady cat skinner and the $3,000 posited by 22rimfire.

Post 5 - jlahun - Your reply is more detailed and more helpful in explaining why you think 22rimfire's reply is a bit out of line. It does read to me probably a little more strongly than you may have meant. I do agree with your perspective, however, that in the first exchange, the appearance is that 22rimfire asked a reasonable question, lady cat skinner gave a reasonable response from her perspective, and 22rimfire's first reply was beginning to get a little unconstructive.

Post 6 - d9gdon - Your reply is helpful in reinforcing that 22rimfire's assessment of scrap value seems outside of our current experience. It is nice too, in that it doesn't go any further. You apparently feel that simply stating your perspective should be enough and people can take it for what it is.

Post 7 - 22rimfire - This post pretty much exceeds the guidelines for decorum here on this forum. We try to maintain a family friendly, constructive and helpful environment. I can relate to the fact that lady cat skinner's reply was probably well outside of your expectations and probably disappointing. No doubt the follow-up comments from others were also disappointing. I do appreciate that you kept your comments family friendly. Most of what you said, however was pretty inflammatory and just a bit insulting.

I am glad that you reinforced that you would not scrap it, your second reply had me wondering if that was an honest option for you. Saying that $1,500 is low for a running piece of machinery, even for a lawn mower, is really not necessary. It is also not factually correct. Within the last two years, I personally have purchased a D6 9U very similar to yours for $400.00 at an auction, a very nice D8 14A with straight blade for $1,750.00 at another auction, a complete, running and working DW-21 from a private party for $1,900.00, a running and working D4 2T with near new undercarriage, hydraulic angle blade and FOPS for $400.00, and that is only part of the list. This doesn't mean that you should consider selling your tractor for low prices like that. I'm just pointing out that it is not unreasonable for someone to offer $1,500.00 as a starting bid for a tractor about which they have four phrases of description and a single, small photo.

The rest of this post is really just a dismissal of all of us no this forum. That is also unnecessary. If you don't agree with the opinions posted here, don't read them. Remember that this thread started with your open request for information. It isn't fair to resent the answers you were provided.

Post 8 - jlahun - Your passion clearly comes through. Your message though, is spot on. Essentially saying what I reiterated above.

Post 9 - Deas Plant - You confirm jlahun's and others perspective that 22rimfire is just a bit out of line. A helpful and constructive reply.

Post 10 - cheshire cat - An even more helpful reply, pointing out how 22rimfire and any future readers might ensure that their solicitation results in replies closer to their expectations.

Post 11 - mrsmackpaul - You are generally very helpful and constructive on this forum, and here I see you continuing to try to help us all get past our emotional reading and back on track. Even though I see that 22rimfire's answer in post 3 as the first that began to stray, we seem, to have had several who jumped in and he might take this as a flaming or feeding frenzy. I think a little balance here, so that he can see that there are some who see his side of things should be helpful and constructive.

Post 12 - ronm - Had 22rimfire set some expectation or guideline in his first post at $3,000 or thereabouts, I might agree with you. He just posted a short description, a single small photo and asked what anyone thought it was worth. lady cat skinner was the first to reply with what I'm sure she felt was a reasonable offer. If I remember correctly, I think that is about the ballpark she paid for the two D6s she already owns. I don't see how 22rimfire had any cause to be insulted by her offer, although his reply made me think he was insulted. Even if he was insulted, however, it would have been more constructive to come back with a reasoned explanation about why he didn't think her assessment was a good one. I don't know the scrap market in his area, but I would be absolutely shocked if an unprepared, complete and dirty D6 9U could be sold for scrap anywhere in North America during this month for even half of his $3,000.

My opinion on that value leaves me no alternative perspective on 22rimfire's reply other than he was trying to be insulting himself.

22rimfire and the others who have posted here. I hope you all take this as it is intended: A mild rebuke and a request to re-read and give the writer the benefit of the doubt. This thread has gotten off track just a bit, but we need to get it back on track, keep things positive, supportive and constructive. Life is too short to let others get under our skin, or spend time trying to get under theirs.

Pete.

It is interesting how time will change peoples mind about price.

The story goes the neighbor offered 2000 for a bare 9u ag tractor. I am 50 miles away don't know how the neighbors got along before or afterward. Tractor sits in old barn used one day a year to make fire breaks.After some years,gets started and one steering clutch has rusted together,used with brake dragging to heat and hopefully free it up. Still not steering so parked.Most of 10 years pass barn is falling,widow is getting very old wants tractor gone. After the scrape iron peak price,but 4 years ago a scraper offered 1300 as it sat.I was told about it by someone that didn't want it scraped and it drove out of barn and loaded. They were glad to take 1300 for it when 2000 had been a big insult 15 years before.

Had to rebuild both steering clutches.Had near new plates,but rust is stronger than the bonding agent Cat used.Two inch pieces of the friction material would stick to the non lined disc.Is a very good running tractor so far. So all you people that think you can break them loose,not this one in a million years.After seeing the drive teeth where new I about cried when peeling them apart and big chunks would break on the wrong side,did save better than half the lined plates and all steels.


22Rimfire
If we have not run you off, need more details. Nothing in the original post about a brush rake, but later you comment about it.Yes I have seen when that alone would bring 1500. The market for older stuff can get very thin as Pete pointed out in his auction buying and it doesn't look like scrape is a reasonable choice from a dollars and cents angle no matter how you would feel about sending running equipment off to Chine.

I do know of a direct start 9u dozer selling for 7000 in the last 6 months.Is a very good machine with little us since a rebuild by a gentleman that knew what he was doing and for himself.Son is taking the big bucks offered and selling the ranch,as he is retired from a different business. And the buyer is the asking me if he payed to much as he had a D6 already that just needed a lot from undercarriage on up.So if this buyer here about Pete he will think he has been had too!!!!!!!!!!

There's always a bunch of bottom feeders looking for a steal but a mid to late model 9U dozer in good to excellent working order is still a $5-$10k value to someone that really needs/wants one.

Sold ours for 5000 about a year ago.

Need to put an engine in it now as the new owner didn't stop running it as it put fuel in the oil from the infamous o-rings between filter tower and injection pump housing.

Gentlemen of ACMOC... Good morning!

Upon reading all the comments on this post the first thing I need to say is I'm sorry for being the first person to respond and make an offer that inflamed so many people.

I wasn't trying to be insulting, it was just a starting offer based on what I could see in the picture, no rake was mentioned. Also, please remember I'm in South Texas and it would cost me upwards of 3000.00 to have it shipped if a deal was made. I wasn't clear in stating my intentions, just started the ball rolling with an offer as asked.

All the points covered here by the others in regard to scrap prices, distance, etc. were in my mind, but I didn't think I needed to say all that in my initial posting.

With that being said, y'all have a good day.

Hey Karen--once again as like a couple of years ago I apologize for the rude comments by some of our members---an offer is an offer and is not insulting even if called a bottom feeder by some. It was an honest reply to an offer for sale and considering the distance for transport it has different value for the buyer and the seller.