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crookedwrench
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My 78A D4D is beginning to have the roller flanges hit the rail pin bosses only on the right side. 76 year old Cat Skinner looked at my tractor and said the rails, pins, and sprocket were good enough, and that all I needed at this time were 5 new rollers on right side? I measured the flange on my Rt rear single flange roller and it was 13/16" My questions are: 1. Does his advice sound reasonable? 2. How much of a flange will I have on new rollers? I use the dozer on my farm and will not likely exceed 70 hrs/year. Considering aftermarket roller assemblies @ $140/ea. Will submit photos later if necessary. (Lost most of my photos to computer hacker) Thanks for your comments and advice. Happy Thanksgiving!
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 8:20 AM
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if your rollers are showing wear on only one side,then the track frame is mis-aligned with sprocket,me,I would
weld a piece of round stock to form your flange, bending around roller as required,weld securely,it does not need to
be a highly finished procedure[rough will do] been there,done that.
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 9:53 AM
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Reply to leon:
if your rollers are showing wear on only one side,then the track frame is mis-aligned with sprocket,me,I would
weld a piece of round stock to form your flange, bending around roller as required,weld securely,it does not need to
be a highly finished procedure[rough will do] been there,done that.
Wear condition is determined by roller diameter. The D4 rollers are 8" dia. new. Depending on what part number they are there are considered 100% worn out at either 7.5" dia. or 7.38" dia. They are also considered worn out when the roller flange is hitting the pin bosses.
Need the track link number in order to give the track link specs to determine the combination of wear.

edit: Did find the flange diameter, it's 9.09" for the D4
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 10:08 AM
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Wear condition is determined by roller diameter. The D4 rollers are 8" dia. new. Depending on what part number they are there are considered 100% worn out at either 7.5" dia. or 7.38" dia. They are also considered worn out when the roller flange is hitting the pin bosses.
Need the track link number in order to give the track link specs to determine the combination of wear.

edit: Did find the flange diameter, it's 9.09" for the D4
if you do not have rock guards this will be real easy.
take a torch and cut a little off the outside diameter flange. remove a quarter inch or so off both sides of the roller. if you remove to much and do not have rock guards it could become hard to hold the track on.
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 10:37 AM
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if you do not have rock guards this will be real easy.
take a torch and cut a little off the outside diameter flange. remove a quarter inch or so off both sides of the roller. if you remove to much and do not have rock guards it could become hard to hold the track on.
check your track frame alignment and consider welding up the rollers to the proper diameter.
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 12:10 PM
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check your track frame alignment and consider welding up the rollers to the proper diameter.
Reads to me like the RH track/rollers are worn, not an issue of alignment.
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 12:32 PM
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Reads to me like the RH track/rollers are worn, not an issue of alignment.
Roller flanges hitting the pin bosses means either the rollers or the rails are worn out, to gain your 70 hours a year on an undercarriage which is probably on its wear limit but has some life left, as advised before, trim the flanges down to clear the bosses. Fitting new rollers on one side only is not a good idea.
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 2:22 PM
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Roller flanges hitting the pin bosses means either the rollers or the rails are worn out, to gain your 70 hours a year on an undercarriage which is probably on its wear limit but has some life left, as advised before, trim the flanges down to clear the bosses. Fitting new rollers on one side only is not a good idea.
a bit hard to say with out seeing it but the cheapest option is to weld the rollers back up if the internals of the rollers are still ok if not it may be cheaper to find some good used rollers

Paul
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 3:01 PM
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a bit hard to say with out seeing it but the cheapest option is to weld the rollers back up if the internals of the rollers are still ok if not it may be cheaper to find some good used rollers

Paul
You might consider and some will surely scoff, but an old cat mechanic who knew how to get the most out of the iron suggested that the roller flange be trimmed slightly. With so few hours of use every year, it might be an economic option to relieve the bounce on the pin boss.. Just a thought.
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 6:41 PM
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Reply to leon:
if your rollers are showing wear on only one side,then the track frame is mis-aligned with sprocket,me,I would
weld a piece of round stock to form your flange, bending around roller as required,weld securely,it does not need to
be a highly finished procedure[rough will do] been there,done that.
[quote="leon"]if your rollers are showing wear on only one side,then the track frame is mis-aligned with sprocket,me,I would
weld a piece of round stock to form your flange, bending around roller as required,weld securely,it does not need to
be a highly finished procedure[rough will do] been there,done that.[/quote]

We had a TD35 that always ran in an arc to the left. As a kid, (well until late in life an even now) I could never figure that out, the track is still being picked up the same number of links and even if the links are worn and longer, the sprocket will take up the slack.

Well anyway a friend told me later the reason is in the farm environment we most always make left hand turns. That causes a different wear pattern on the left rail vs the right. He said the solution was to run one track tighter, I don't know which one.

Can anyone explain this left arc phenomena? I still don't understand it. And I dont know how running one track tighter would help either.

One thing I know for sure, that tractor if left alone would eventually make it back to the barn!
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 10:24 PM
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[quote="leon"]if your rollers are showing wear on only one side,then the track frame is mis-aligned with sprocket,me,I would
weld a piece of round stock to form your flange, bending around roller as required,weld securely,it does not need to
be a highly finished procedure[rough will do] been there,done that.[/quote]

We had a TD35 that always ran in an arc to the left. As a kid, (well until late in life an even now) I could never figure that out, the track is still being picked up the same number of links and even if the links are worn and longer, the sprocket will take up the slack.

Well anyway a friend told me later the reason is in the farm environment we most always make left hand turns. That causes a different wear pattern on the left rail vs the right. He said the solution was to run one track tighter, I don't know which one.

Can anyone explain this left arc phenomena? I still don't understand it. And I dont know how running one track tighter would help either.

One thing I know for sure, that tractor if left alone would eventually make it back to the barn!
Check the five pin stretched dimensions of both tracks. The one that is longer tends to stretch or open a little as it comes under traction load with resulting slight increase of pull on one side vs the other. With the track tightened it tends to reduce the affect.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. LOL

Coarse all the other alignment and wear factors apply also.
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Sat, Nov 28, 2015 12:01 AM
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