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Reproduction parts-Cat 10, 15, 8c-twenty

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Catmatt
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Two years ago I made reproduction track tension bolts for the caterpillar ten with great success. I have some ideas for some more reproduction parts and I wanted to get some feedback before I went forward with having this parts made.

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Lower Radiator pipe for the cat ten, and cat fifteen/small twenty. Normally, this part is rusted or cut and patched with rad hose. Anyone interested?

The waterpump pump cover on a cat ten. This cover gaurd covers the packing nut on the water pump. It appears to be made out of "spring" steel and snaps onto the waterpump casting to conceal the packing nut and shaft. Look in your parts book...It is there and very few tractors have it...even the most complete ones. Any interest? Those of you familiar with this part, how difficult would this be to reproduce?
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Fri, Dec 21, 2007 9:16 AM
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I wish somone would make a radiator suport and radiator bottom tank for a 10/small 15, Mine are sad shape and finding good ones is tough.
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Fri, Dec 21, 2007 10:04 AM
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I wish somone would make a radiator suport and radiator bottom tank for a 10/small 15, Mine are sad shape and finding good ones is tough.
Catmatt, I would be up for getting some of the Cat Ten WP covers. Greg
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Fri, Dec 21, 2007 10:59 AM
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Catmatt, I would be up for getting some of the Cat Ten WP covers. Greg
I forget who had them but somebody has a buch of 10 and 15 waterpump covers they had made at one of the shows this year
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Fri, Dec 21, 2007 11:53 AM
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I forget who had them but somebody has a buch of 10 and 15 waterpump covers they had made at one of the shows this year
Bend some 1/2''emt electrical conduit and reweld to the flanges to fix the Ten lower pipe. Covers wouldn't be too much problem but no time with regular business to make any!
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Fri, Dec 21, 2007 8:22 PM
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Bend some 1/2''emt electrical conduit and reweld to the flanges to fix the Ten lower pipe. Covers wouldn't be too much problem but no time with regular business to make any!
Matt, I would be up for a couple of those lower rad. pipes.Thanks Mike
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Fri, Dec 21, 2007 8:46 PM
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Matt, I would be up for a couple of those lower rad. pipes.Thanks Mike
Hey Guys; Better watch what you are making for resale. Big daddy CAT is watching our moves out here. Chapter One made some reprints of some 60+ year old 16mm movies and they won't let us sell them.
We don't see any difference between copying old movies than copying parts, seats, hoods, side shields, rock guards and service manuals.
What is your opinion guys??
Bill Walter, Chapter One
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Tue, Dec 25, 2007 12:57 AM
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Hey Guys; Better watch what you are making for resale. Big daddy CAT is watching our moves out here. Chapter One made some reprints of some 60+ year old 16mm movies and they won't let us sell them.
We don't see any difference between copying old movies than copying parts, seats, hoods, side shields, rock guards and service manuals.
What is your opinion guys??
Bill Walter, Chapter One
Yep they stopped some guy from making models awhile back also but im not sure what they allow and dont. When ACMOC got sucked into deal with Cat Corp. and moved to Peoria we were supose to get rights to reprduce pre 1960 models and parts but as everthing deal we have had with the they have shit on us like the norscott deal and telling us we canot use the Tracklayer logo that they dont even own ,so I'd say makem till they tell you to stop. Present day Cat Corp is a bunch of sleave balls lookin for profet and reniging on thier deals dont trust them because guy that says you can today will be gone tomorrow, thats why I am apossed to anybody who was or is involved with CAT CORP to be on the BoD of ACMOC and hope to have in bylaws by vote of membership next yr.
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Tue, Dec 25, 2007 1:32 AM
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Reply to BillWalter:
Hey Guys; Better watch what you are making for resale. Big daddy CAT is watching our moves out here. Chapter One made some reprints of some 60+ year old 16mm movies and they won't let us sell them.
We don't see any difference between copying old movies than copying parts, seats, hoods, side shields, rock guards and service manuals.
What is your opinion guys??
Bill Walter, Chapter One
The difference that I see is that you did not "make" the movie. Someone will make the pipes or seats. I can have anyone make things for me. I think the problem lies in the use of the CAT name or logo. I am sure the movie has the CAT name or logo used in the making of the film. Now, I could make my own movie using my equipment and I should be fine. Just as you folks could make your own movie using your restored CATs and the club can sell them. Just as my military vehicle club sells calendars that have Dodges, GMC's, Ford and Willys jeeps.

Just my thoughts.

John
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Tue, Dec 25, 2007 1:41 AM
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The difference that I see is that you did not "make" the movie. Someone will make the pipes or seats. I can have anyone make things for me. I think the problem lies in the use of the CAT name or logo. I am sure the movie has the CAT name or logo used in the making of the film. Now, I could make my own movie using my equipment and I should be fine. Just as you folks could make your own movie using your restored CATs and the club can sell them. Just as my military vehicle club sells calendars that have Dodges, GMC's, Ford and Willys jeeps.

Just my thoughts.

John
I never thought of caterpillar having a problem with having repro parts made. Several guys make the sheet metal, and george logue has been making manifolds for years. I would never make anything that cat sells as if they did sell the parts, it would probably be easier to just buy them. Based on the machines I have, and the requests of fellow collectors, It seems the lower rad pipes are very hard to find.
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Tue, Dec 25, 2007 10:40 AM
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I never thought of caterpillar having a problem with having repro parts made. Several guys make the sheet metal, and george logue has been making manifolds for years. I would never make anything that cat sells as if they did sell the parts, it would probably be easier to just buy them. Based on the machines I have, and the requests of fellow collectors, It seems the lower rad pipes are very hard to find.
Well its not about anything but money. I dont know the exact numbers but for example Jd gets 5% rolayty for using thier name and Cat wants 25% I beleave that is numbers I was told . Thats why you see JD taking up whole sections in Walmart and Tractor Supply stores and not 1 Cat to be found. That's why JD stuff is the 3rd Mans XMas gift in the U.S. and its 600% more popular then any other tractor Co. in the farm and tractor theme products. Cat does compete in the clothes dept. LOL
The part I dont understand is that every time we show a Caterpillar that 50, 75 or 100 yrs old we are give testiment that they are well built long lasting machines and is old well established company, not to mention the great advertisment for them. But you see no suport what so ever from Cat Corp. For an example in Brooks 2 yrs ago Cat was featured tractor and we had nothing from Cat this yr. was JD and JD Corp sent out a nice trailer with tractor and display from Moline. 2008 will be our show like no other ever, when it comes to Holt,Best&Caterpillar, 40 miles from where Dan Best started,50 miles from Holt and 70 miles from C.L.Best the latter 2 being orig Cat Corp factory's, with Machines that are 100 yrs old. And guess what Cat Corp was asked months ago if they wanted to particapate in our program in any level with no supirise to me they havnt even returned any kind of response what so ever.
I have a letter here from ACMOC telling us we cant reproduce anything from Cat with out Cat Corp. permission ,and told at a meeting by ACMOC sec. that Cat Corp. wants ACMOC BoD to enforce this amoung it's members. But its strange the so called boggis illegal repo stuff to advertised in the newsletter like Jensales,Zimmerman and others who repo parts with Cat logos. Its kinda tuff to get the sheetmetal guy or seat guy they have no logo or number like the manifolds, parts books and cast parts.
So what is allowed, who is watching, and I guess when they took us under thier wing and were promised the rights of the pre 1960 stuff and move to Peoria to become part of thier museum and education dept. was all a bunch of BS
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Tue, Dec 25, 2007 11:48 AM
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