Maybe you think so Don. But no more then this lame ass BB that is not as good as we have already and Joe's poor atitude about it, OH forgot it not his job only his hobby. Looks like GWH let us down here bigtime if he knew Joe was considering this website contract as a hobby. 8 months ago we enterd the contract a month ago we got this fine work and go to home page and hit the diff keys see waht you get how long does have to be nice bbefore he gets tired of another fake flake BB i dont know how long you been here but it my 4th crapy BB and this time I thought the BoD was doing right thing what a letdown what really psses me off is he just trys to defend it all istead of standing up saying He made a mistake and all his fault then maybe I would look at it diff just another BSer to me would fit right into our last BoD

Willie,
All of your posts are minor variations of the same thing! Not one word of where we need to go, just the blame game. I agree with TD, your posts are counterproductive. Nobody likes a whiner. sorry

Beav; Call it whining or what ever yes same thing over because you keep defending Joe. some ACMOC members didnt want the format acme uses because they thought Joe was a trator starting a website myself and others didnt want the format used because I find it user unfriendly compared to others and at The BoD meeting we were told that we would have a diff website layout and format and that Joe had a contract for awhile and promised something soon but nobody knew why he wasnt preforming. That was in July in Nov we get this lame setup, same as his painted diff color something we were told wasnt going to be, guys have been waiting weeks to get here and having problems posting and Joe says its not his job just a hobby so just wiat till he has time you bet Im pissed the only thing counter produtive here is Joe Black, his attitude about ACMOC and this crappy bb

Willie, we are all very lucky that Joe Black has the patience he has in dealing with folks like you that continually complain about anything and everything. It is one thing to make comments about things that are a problem and it is quite another to make inflammatory comments like you make. You hurl insults, you don't give anyone credit for doing anything right and you open your mouth or make insinuations on postings without all the facts.

If I were Joe Black, I would not put up with any of your BS. In fact I am surprised he has not demanded your dismissal from this board before he continues to work on it. Your insults and derogatory statements have no place here.

" Bob; You are correct but only if this BB wasnt working and if you look I was member over there long before you" Don't ask people to do something ; I looked and I think I beat you by a day! 14 comes before 15:D

Bob you make my point well! I beleave Busted and I were of the very first to join and I couldnt log in because Joes excuse was I had AOL and his stuff was not compatable with AOL thats why I didnt like his dint like his program AOL user had to jump thru hoops to use it. Back to the story it took Joe the time it took about 10 people to sign up, not long few hours to set me up and now here its taking him weeks to do the same thing that on his site he does in couple hours .
If you were there then you should rember Busted sending him money and asking others to do same but Joe's words were Please dont send money its my hobby only cost $??? But that statment is kinda like Geo Bush and no new taxes

Don't give up Willie only the facts can mess you up:eek: Go look I beat Busted by a day too:p

Now lets say this was an internal problem within a large company, or even a real difficult dillemma while repairing a machine, no matter how much cuss & discuss takes place nothing gets done. And in those instances, deadlines can be very real, so you had best arrive at a working resolution or you have nothing. This is common sense, which gets clouded when people get distracted by becoming irrational, it's human nature, some are better than others at it.

Objectives cannot and will not be achieved when people cannot sit down and resolve the issues, even if it seems impossible, you either get off your a$$ and see things through no matter what it takes or resign from the agenda. It takes the ability to negotiate, concede when neccessary, stand tall when needed and take action in the end. If you leave the bargaining table prior to the deal being made, then you have achieved nothing but wasting time and clouding the waters, possibly making things worse, and risk increasin the time it takes to get it done, only because you quit the team effort to fight, negotiate, and see it through, even if you don't get everything your way, you still must get it done !!!!

It's a shame that things get to this level in this particular situation, lack of clear communication, lack of good management, lack of follow up and lack of timely decision making, all lead to an unclear direction and failure in the business world, and it happens all the time in the business world, particularly in the construction industry, you get the same mud flinging scenario. Quite frankly, it's childish and by virtue of it's existence, how can you accomplish anything, especially by continuing it here. Some are going to respond, agree, disagree, things will get blown out of proportion, distorted, biased, rumors, anger, disrespectful and downright insulting, depending on how people take it. Some will leave, or just take a definitive tone, or recluse into a defensive state of thinking. Is this what everyone wants ? Take another approach, partner for a moment, put your differences aside, constructive criticism is not insulting, nor meant to be, and can be a good thing when in a bind or at a imperative juncture to get something done. When you go beyond the level of constructive criticism, there usually is negative impacts, which accomplishes nothing.

Now I am an outsider, looking in, but instead of the forum(s) being used as a tactical means of flinging mud, why don't the people who need to be involved take some time, create a concise agenda of the things worthy of consideration, that have valid merits and benefits to the overall program, club or web forum dedicated to the club. You can't do everything, you can't please everyone, and everyone has to be able to realize that it's not a perfect world, but with some hard work, dedication, and being able to distinguish things of value from things that have little or no value, you should be able to achieve objectives, instead of becoming a mob of various cliques running amuck. What is the common goal that is good for all here ?

The shame of it is that every single person who come to these forums is a valuable asset, no matter how much they know or don't know. The forum risks the loss of these assets when things go awry. I have an appreciation for this, because people are so willingly helpful and cheerful to comment, post pages out of manuals and photos, to help someone. Be it confined to the narrowness of strictly antique caterpillar tractors or a little outside the boundaries, even if they go offline to meet or correspond, knowing the discussion may be slighty or way off topic, they work together to help, and they get it done. Some really take pride in their literature collections, or vast knowledge, and so on, these forums are the vehicle that is used to collaborate and educate, socialize, show & tell ( which is awesome ! ) How often do you get to all the places we get to see here, and theres related old cat's in the majority of these posts. It's always great to check in after being away and yes the novelity of the whole thing wore off a little when these forums were new to me, but the readers interest has never been lost.

In my humble opinion:

I won't even pretend to know what the particulars are, so a quick role play based on what's been posted:

A leader would take the bull by the horns here; ok folks enough, get that administrator here in my office for a meeting, I also want a list of all the issues, (1) week prior to this meeting, so I can review and decide what is valid and what is not, and also prioritize, all items inclusive small or large, technical, financial, organizational, what have you, we're going to sit down, resolve all the issues, set deadlines and get it done, I don't care about the BS, we have a job to do, if you want to be an obstructionist or a mudflinger, the team has no place for you. I can respect someone who will sit down and tell it like it is, fight, argue, disagree in an attempt to get things resolved. If you are dillegently working towards a goal, you won't have time to waste flinging mud anyway.

This forum has been a proverbial thorn in the side or so it seems, it's appeared to have been an issue of contention for a long time and distracting to some I'm sure. What is it going to require, to take some sort of lead here and be done with it, if this really is the case, ( I have no clue as to what the details in contention are about this forum and have no interest in personality or other types of conflicts ). However, if there are issues, why not agree that is or is not the case and take appropriate action ?

Get it done, finished, complete, over ? No reflection on any of the players involved either, but go have a skull session, do what it takes, go 12 rounds and get it done. And shake hands once done or go your separate ways, whatever it takes, I prefer the first one, shows all parties can argue their points, arrive at an agreement and still be strong enough to put their differences aside, lot of people are watching, lead by example !!!

I feel it would be helpful if there were different limits on posting pictures and valuable service info. Nobody REALLY needs to see more than 5 pictures of any one restored cat especially if it prevents the posting of service info.

I for one ask that ALL of my picture posting allowance be assigned to OLD MAGNET to allow him to post service info. like the undercarridge files he has been trying to put on here but is not allowed to because of the limits as they seem to be.
Others do post good service info. how about someone like myself who has no intention of posting pictures assigning yours to them?

D.K. in S.K.

How about a hauling schedule? I like road tripping. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. John