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neil
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Hi all,
would someone be able to point me to a chart that shows the application of each CCU model to the tractors that Cat would have supported them for. Earliest through latest and front and rear - thanks!
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Tue, Jul 7, 2015 8:29 AM
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Spec sheet from 8-1959
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Tue, Jul 7, 2015 9:02 AM
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I don't know of any such published list but there are considerably more than what Rome/KG is showing.
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Tue, Jul 7, 2015 9:17 AM
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I don't know of any such published list but there are considerably more than what Rome/KG is showing.
Thanks guys, I'm sure over time I'll pick up examples of CCUs and tractors and can make up a list starting with Rome's list. Now, if I could get series.... : )
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Tue, Jul 7, 2015 6:36 PM
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Reply to neil:
Thanks guys, I'm sure over time I'll pick up examples of CCUs and tractors and can make up a list starting with Rome's list. Now, if I could get series.... : )
Hey Neil,

Cable control units were add ons that each costumer chose to their own likings. I've seen a lot of D-8's and a few D-9's with #25 units. I've seen a lot more with #29 units on them. Nothing was set in stone. The 29 unit was more popular because it had live power, but still some owners put #25 units on. I have a D6-9u with a #25 unit on it and a more modern D6-b with a #23 unit on it. Why smaller on a more powerful tractor? A costumer probably added on a 23 unit he had off another tractor. So to get a list of which cable unit went on which series tractor would be difficult to do as there were so many variables people did. I've seen units on H models, and even one on a K model D8 once.
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Tue, Jul 7, 2015 8:48 PM
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Hey Neil,

Cable control units were add ons that each costumer chose to their own likings. I've seen a lot of D-8's and a few D-9's with #25 units. I've seen a lot more with #29 units on them. Nothing was set in stone. The 29 unit was more popular because it had live power, but still some owners put #25 units on. I have a D6-9u with a #25 unit on it and a more modern D6-b with a #23 unit on it. Why smaller on a more powerful tractor? A costumer probably added on a 23 unit he had off another tractor. So to get a list of which cable unit went on which series tractor would be difficult to do as there were so many variables people did. I've seen units on H models, and even one on a K model D8 once.
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Hi Glen, I kind of figured that might be the case and you've confirmed it. I wonder if Cat had, for each CCU model, the tractors for which that model was an approved (or even recommended) installation. Probably in a set of sales brochures somewhere - the strongest evidence would be for those installations that would be warrantied by Cat - Dealer-only installations I'm guessing.
The live-power installation would have commenced with the 14A as far as D8s go, so I could rule out "approved" installations of a #29 on a 2U for example - sound right?
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Tue, Jul 7, 2015 11:44 PM
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Hi Glen, I kind of figured that might be the case and you've confirmed it. I wonder if Cat had, for each CCU model, the tractors for which that model was an approved (or even recommended) installation. Probably in a set of sales brochures somewhere - the strongest evidence would be for those installations that would be warrantied by Cat - Dealer-only installations I'm guessing.
The live-power installation would have commenced with the 14A as far as D8s go, so I could rule out "approved" installations of a #29 on a 2U for example - sound right?
[quote="Neil"]Hi Glen, I kind of figured that might be the case and you've confirmed it. I wonder if Cat had, for each CCU model, the tractors for which that model was an approved (or even recommended) installation. Probably in a set of sales brochures somewhere - the strongest evidence would be for those installations that would be warrantied by Cat - Dealer-only installations I'm guessing.
The live-power installation would have commenced with the 14A as far as D8s go, so I could rule out "approved" installations of a #29 on a 2U for example - sound right?[/quote]

If I have it figured right any CCU on a 14A would have live power. A 29 on a 2U would only work with the clutch engaged. A 25 on a 14A would be live all the time. The live power was the power-take-off so it would be like the clutch was engaged to the CCU all the time. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
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Tue, Jul 7, 2015 11:57 PM
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The #29 CCU is driven from the engine pto which comes off the front timing gears (camshaft inner gear) through a shaft to the pto gears and then through open drive shaft to the CCU. There is no provision to run this arrangement on a 2U or 13A.
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Wed, Jul 8, 2015 1:27 AM
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The #29 CCU is driven from the engine pto which comes off the front timing gears (camshaft inner gear) through a shaft to the pto gears and then through open drive shaft to the CCU. There is no provision to run this arrangement on a 2U or 13A.
Interesting - OM, do you know what the hp limit would be on that live PTO on the 14A? (Or was it only intended for the CCU?)
Garlic Pete - I have a D2 just itching for some kind of powered attachment on the rear : ) Acknowledging that ultimately one can fit any attachment to any machine with enough engineering, it'd be great to have a sheet of the combinations that Cat would have approved/recommended.
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Wed, Jul 8, 2015 4:18 AM
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Interesting - OM, do you know what the hp limit would be on that live PTO on the 14A? (Or was it only intended for the CCU?)
Garlic Pete - I have a D2 just itching for some kind of powered attachment on the rear : ) Acknowledging that ultimately one can fit any attachment to any machine with enough engineering, it'd be great to have a sheet of the combinations that Cat would have approved/recommended.
I point I was trying to make is that there is nothing different internal to the CCU to make it live. The "live" comes from the tractors live shaft wither it be called a live shaft or live PTO. It appears that maybe my marbles are thinking straight. Just can't get thought to paper very clear. I know it is not practical or even possible but if a 29 were driven off a 2U rear shaft it would not be live unless the clutch was engaged. Right?
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Wed, Jul 8, 2015 4:56 AM
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I point I was trying to make is that there is nothing different internal to the CCU to make it live. The "live" comes from the tractors live shaft wither it be called a live shaft or live PTO. It appears that maybe my marbles are thinking straight. Just can't get thought to paper very clear. I know it is not practical or even possible but if a 29 were driven off a 2U rear shaft it would not be live unless the clutch was engaged. Right?
Hi Roger, yes I agree with your point; it's the input that makes it live. That said, I'm guessing that the input shafts for the 25 line up with the transmission output and the input shaft for the 29 lines up "elsewhere". Which ultimately is what I'm interested in establishing, which is, the combinations that Cat would have approved of. This looks like a research project to me : )
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