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Hi everybody. I have a D4C 40A4700 with about 10,500 hrs. It tends to throw the left track on left turns on uneven ground while pulling implements; the Holt rep measured the u/c for me and said there was an avg.15% rail height left. I also wonder about the side to side clearance for the front idler/track frame mattered. I only use this tractor about 50 hrs a year. Wondered if anyone has only done a pin and bushing swap to get maximum use. I have never had u/c work on any of my crawlers; don't even know who to use. I am located north of Sacramento. Lets hear your thoughts! Thanks everyone!
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Sun, May 3, 2015 10:56 PM
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Did the rep give you a figure for pin and bushing wear?
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Sun, May 3, 2015 11:15 PM
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Did the rep give you a figure for pin and bushing wear?
You might talk to Miller Track service in Modesto. 209 523 6931. It looks like they are still in business. I used them about 30 years ago for a P&B turn. Then contacted them about 8 years ago about my best options for SALT track work. Their advise was cost effective.
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Mon, May 4, 2015 1:13 AM
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Did the rep give you a figure for pin and bushing wear?
Hello juiceman, With only 15% rail height left the cost of new pins and bushings is too much to invest. I advise buying new track groups or at least rails. The labor cost to swap your existing pads to new rails might make track groups the better option.
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Mon, May 4, 2015 1:17 AM
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Hello juiceman, With only 15% rail height left the cost of new pins and bushings is too much to invest. I advise buying new track groups or at least rails. The labor cost to swap your existing pads to new rails might make track groups the better option.
Thanks for the responses everyone. Cat rep might of given me measurements, all I remember was heighth, the chains are pretty snaky to me. I run that side fairly tight and it doesn't seem to matter; one of these days I won't be so lucky and sling it out from underneath and fight it back on.
I will give Miller Track a call; didn't know if Ben DuBose track service in Yuba City was in business or not; any guesses on what aftermarket chains with a pad swap would cost? I don't want to do a full blown u/c just yet. Just trying to be practical. Thanks again!
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Mon, May 4, 2015 6:56 AM
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Thanks for the responses everyone. Cat rep might of given me measurements, all I remember was heighth, the chains are pretty snaky to me. I run that side fairly tight and it doesn't seem to matter; one of these days I won't be so lucky and sling it out from underneath and fight it back on.
I will give Miller Track a call; didn't know if Ben DuBose track service in Yuba City was in business or not; any guesses on what aftermarket chains with a pad swap would cost? I don't want to do a full blown u/c just yet. Just trying to be practical. Thanks again!
You might want to put a Wanted add in the For Sale section. Might be a member with a used set of tracks for you that will last a few years. They pop up quite often there.
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Mon, May 4, 2015 7:51 AM
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You might want to put a Wanted add in the For Sale section. Might be a member with a used set of tracks for you that will last a few years. They pop up quite often there.
Had a set done some years ago, reasonable and pretty quick, dropped them off in the morning, done that afternoon.

Ben's Track Service
4265 Markley Rd
Yuba City, CA 95993
(530) 673-7604
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Mon, May 4, 2015 10:07 AM
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Had a set done some years ago, reasonable and pretty quick, dropped them off in the morning, done that afternoon.

Ben's Track Service
4265 Markley Rd
Yuba City, CA 95993
(530) 673-7604
Hey OldMagnet,

Can Juiceman take one link out each side without messing up timing on sprocket?
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Mon, May 4, 2015 10:57 AM
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Can Juiceman take one link out each side without messing up timing on sprocket?
Its nothing to do with 'timing' on the sprocket, if the tracks are stretched enough to take a link out, continuing to use them will wreck the sprockets due to pitch mismatch, they will still come off as well. If there is only 15% left in the rails, the chains are probably worn out, that's why I asked for all the measurements. When I did CTS reports, I used to put all the figures down plus a couple of sentences of advice.
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Mon, May 4, 2015 2:19 PM
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Its nothing to do with 'timing' on the sprocket, if the tracks are stretched enough to take a link out, continuing to use them will wreck the sprockets due to pitch mismatch, they will still come off as well. If there is only 15% left in the rails, the chains are probably worn out, that's why I asked for all the measurements. When I did CTS reports, I used to put all the figures down plus a couple of sentences of advice.
The 40A uses a 29 tooth (hunting tooth) sprocket so removing a link has no affect on timing other than a slight change in repeatability. Removing a link stretches the pitch and accelerates the wear but is typically done to run to destruction to get the last bit out of the undercarriage. Does nothing to compensate for snakey track due to pin and bushing wear.
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Mon, May 4, 2015 9:34 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
The 40A uses a 29 tooth (hunting tooth) sprocket so removing a link has no affect on timing other than a slight change in repeatability. Removing a link stretches the pitch and accelerates the wear but is typically done to run to destruction to get the last bit out of the undercarriage. Does nothing to compensate for snakey track due to pin and bushing wear.
Just a few more things to consider, as stated you are pulling implements.What type of soil as far as abrasiveness,what are the chances you will be working more ground that would be more abrasive.If your soil is not abrasive and the low amount of hours you are running new pins and bushings in the old rails will last a lot of years. If you soil is more abrasive finding some used rails may be the most economical way to go.

My home ranch is not at all abrasive and my father opted to put new pins and bushings on very thin rails back 50 years ago and the track out lasted him by a lot.But the availability and price need to be compared to the amount of us you plan to get from machine. Much of the prospective here is from a construction point of view, and you never know the conditions that will be found on the next job.It is also important to have the machine be ready for any condition you find.Where your conditions will remain the same through your us of the tractor.
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