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D2 Cody
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Hello everyone,

I have a gentleman wanting to buy a pull type scraper from me to help on a pond building project on his acreage.I know the bigger the pan the more money a guy can make but i dont want him buying something he will not be able to use.I have run many scrapers mostly 21Bs and 27Gs along with a few bigger dolly wheel pull types and know first hand how hard it is loading sometimes.The fellow is going to be working in a loamy soil (dirt with sand mix).He owns a 70 hp front wheel assist tractor and is wanting to pull a 5 yard scraper because his haul distance is roughly 125 yards so he is wanting something that will make the project go a lil faster.I explained to him that the weight and horse power jus are not there for a 5 yard scraper and he will only probably get 3 yards or so in a 5 yard scraper at a time before starting to bunny hop and get stuck.I still have a 3 yard scraper for sale that i personally think would work alot better for his application but told him i could pry find a 5 yard if he is set on one.Am I right or totally wrong, will a 5 yard work. Seems to be a very nice guy and jus want to get him set up with the right gear. Any input would be appreciated.
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Sat, Feb 14, 2015 5:30 AM
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And whether he gets much done is going to depend a lot on how wide the cutting bit is. The Laplant-Choate C40 pan in this thread has been pulled with a JD 4020, but it had a "frost bit" in the center back then. It worked OK as long as the cut was long and shallow enough to only engage the frost bit The 2WD 90-ish Hp 4020 would have been pretty close to the tractor he's got.

To load in reasonable distances and get a lot done, the MFWD 4955 Deere is by far the best tractor we ever put on it. Still had to careful or it was easy to choke the 225+ Hp tractor down when it really got a good bite.
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Reply to ccjersey:
And whether he gets much done is going to depend a lot on how wide the cutting bit is. The Laplant-Choate C40 pan in this thread has been pulled with a JD 4020, but it had a "frost bit" in the center back then. It worked OK as long as the cut was long and shallow enough to only engage the frost bit The 2WD 90-ish Hp 4020 would have been pretty close to the tractor he's got.

To load in reasonable distances and get a lot done, the MFWD 4955 Deere is by far the best tractor we ever put on it. Still had to careful or it was easy to choke the 225+ Hp tractor down when it really got a good bite.
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Thankyou ccjersey for the reply.The way it sounds it is going to be a little big going with the 5 yard.I will try and talk him down a yard ot two.
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Sat, Feb 14, 2015 7:13 AM
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Reply to D2 Cody:
Thankyou ccjersey for the reply.The way it sounds it is going to be a little big going with the 5 yard.I will try and talk him down a yard ot two.
He would be better off to put a loader on it and truck the dirt. But I guess what ever floats there boat.
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Sat, Feb 14, 2015 8:29 AM
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He would be better off to put a loader on it and truck the dirt. But I guess what ever floats there boat.
I was told that the Cat 40 scraper works real good behind a 100HP tractor and its 4 yards.
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Sat, Feb 14, 2015 6:11 PM
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I was told that the Cat 40 scraper works real good behind a 100HP tractor and its 4 yards.
Well I use a 10 foot scoop behind a wheel tractor 120hp FWA carrys about 8 yards the difference between this scoop and the ones shown is the tractor carrys half the wait of the scoop and it has a telescopic bowl so I dont have to push the dirt very far !
Most of the power in dirt shifting with a scoop is to push the dirt to the back of the bowl so these type of scoops dont need much power and give really good grip on the tractor tyres as the more dirt I load the more grip I get
I always use tractor tyres with water in them as much as I can get the grip it gives compared to no water is unbelievable
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Reply to mrsmackpaul:
Well I use a 10 foot scoop behind a wheel tractor 120hp FWA carrys about 8 yards the difference between this scoop and the ones shown is the tractor carrys half the wait of the scoop and it has a telescopic bowl so I dont have to push the dirt very far !
Most of the power in dirt shifting with a scoop is to push the dirt to the back of the bowl so these type of scoops dont need much power and give really good grip on the tractor tyres as the more dirt I load the more grip I get
I always use tractor tyres with water in them as much as I can get the grip it gives compared to no water is unbelievable
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Interesting Paul - is reducing the effort required to "push" the dirt to the back of the scraper one of the benefits of an elevating scraper? (I know nothing about this topic...)
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Sun, Feb 15, 2015 4:19 AM
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Interesting Paul - is reducing the effort required to "push" the dirt to the back of the scraper one of the benefits of an elevating scraper? (I know nothing about this topic...)
Neil in a word yes because just like pushing dirt to the back of the bowl also pushing dirt up high in a pile takes a lot of power
when there is a scoop with a apron on it to close the bowl off and you try to fill the bowl fully you use a huge amount of power pulling in the last of the dirt were as when there is a elevating chain it pulls the last of the dirt in for you
I dont know whether Im explaining this properly but Im sure some one else can chime in and explain it better

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Reply to mrsmackpaul:
Neil in a word yes because just like pushing dirt to the back of the bowl also pushing dirt up high in a pile takes a lot of power
when there is a scoop with a apron on it to close the bowl off and you try to fill the bowl fully you use a huge amount of power pulling in the last of the dirt were as when there is a elevating chain it pulls the last of the dirt in for you
I dont know whether Im explaining this properly but Im sure some one else can chime in and explain it better

Paul
Makes sense to me! I have seen some small homebuilt scrapers on youtube that appear to be non-US in design, based on the wheel spin they get with larger tractors it makes sense that it would take more power to fill a bowl. Also think of it another way, tractors were originally rated as 1 plow, 2 plows, etc. Think of the width of 14 inches buried 4 inches down as the max you can pull. Now try taking extra power to heap that up as dead weight you are pushing into the scraper bowl! You have by all rights just exceeded the capacity of your tractor!
(I know I have old tractors)
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Reply to drujinin:
Makes sense to me! I have seen some small homebuilt scrapers on youtube that appear to be non-US in design, based on the wheel spin they get with larger tractors it makes sense that it would take more power to fill a bowl. Also think of it another way, tractors were originally rated as 1 plow, 2 plows, etc. Think of the width of 14 inches buried 4 inches down as the max you can pull. Now try taking extra power to heap that up as dead weight you are pushing into the scraper bowl! You have by all rights just exceeded the capacity of your tractor!
(I know I have old tractors)
I use a eversman 2sd behind my 5525 jd and it works very well . This is around 90 horse 4 wheel drive. Carries about 3 yd heaped. Ron Meeder
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I use a eversman 2sd behind my 5525 jd and it works very well . This is around 90 horse 4 wheel drive. Carries about 3 yd heaped. Ron Meeder
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