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tomseabee
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The tank on my big Cat Twenty has a fine thread gas cap neck. It appears to be original. A number of years ago I ordered a repro cap from John Matta. It was a beautiful item but much coarser threads than what I had on my tank. The tank threads are 11 1/2 tpi and the gas cap threads are 16 tpi. I've been told by several people that the coarse thread is correct.

I wonder if Caterpillar changed thread pitch early in the production. My Cat is a 2 digit serial number machine.

I'll attach a picture comparing the two if I can figure out how to post a picture. OK, the image is posted. The cap looks to large for the neck but it is the right diameter, it is in front of the neck and just looks larger.

Any thoughts?

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Wed, Nov 19, 2014 7:32 AM
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There were two different cap assemblies, the early one is an L1349 and the later is L1733, with the change at PL 530 and either L87 or L876, the parts book I have shows two different numbers, probably L876.
The problem is, that there is only one fuel tank assembly for use with both caps, so it would not make sense to have different threads, perhaps a previous owner changed the cap and the neck? can you read the casting numbers on the neck?
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Wed, Nov 19, 2014 8:54 AM
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Reply to josh:
There were two different cap assemblies, the early one is an L1349 and the later is L1733, with the change at PL 530 and either L87 or L876, the parts book I have shows two different numbers, probably L876.
The problem is, that there is only one fuel tank assembly for use with both caps, so it would not make sense to have different threads, perhaps a previous owner changed the cap and the neck? can you read the casting numbers on the neck?
Hi Josh,
I haven't taken a close look at the casting but I will tomorrow.
My two options as I see them right now is to take one of my two gas caps and fill the threads with JB Weld then bore it to the right ID and then thread it to match the neck.

The other (and probably better option) is to machine another flange and neck to fit the current threads on the cap I have and then replace the current flange.

If I'm living right, I may be able to do this with some store bought plumbing and machine it to match what's on the tank and the rivet pattern.
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Wed, Nov 19, 2014 9:45 AM
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Hi Josh,
I haven't taken a close look at the casting but I will tomorrow.
My two options as I see them right now is to take one of my two gas caps and fill the threads with JB Weld then bore it to the right ID and then thread it to match the neck.

The other (and probably better option) is to machine another flange and neck to fit the current threads on the cap I have and then replace the current flange.

If I'm living right, I may be able to do this with some store bought plumbing and machine it to match what's on the tank and the rivet pattern.
On the twenty I have, the neck is a cast piece, that is riveted and soldered on to the tank, yours looks like it is pressed metal part. Seems like there must be someone out there with a rusted out tank, that has a good neck, and would part with the neck? I know those tanks are prone to rusting out.
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Wed, Nov 19, 2014 10:55 AM
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Reply to josh:
On the twenty I have, the neck is a cast piece, that is riveted and soldered on to the tank, yours looks like it is pressed metal part. Seems like there must be someone out there with a rusted out tank, that has a good neck, and would part with the neck? I know those tanks are prone to rusting out.
You are right. My tank was like a sieve until I coated the inside.
It would be great to find someone that not only has the bad tank but has time to cut the part out. That's the hard part.
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Wed, Nov 19, 2014 11:12 AM
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You are right. My tank was like a sieve until I coated the inside.
It would be great to find someone that not only has the bad tank but has time to cut the part out. That's the hard part.
Tom, I should have a gas tank that the bottom is completely gone in. It is a mid production PL model. PM me and I'll get some pictures for you. Roby Whitehead
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Thu, Nov 20, 2014 7:36 AM
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Tom, I should have a gas tank that the bottom is completely gone in. It is a mid production PL model. PM me and I'll get some pictures for you. Roby Whitehead
You are right to think there are 2 different thread sizes. The early tanks had the thread like yours and then they changed to the bigger thread. I know this because my neighbor has a early 20 with the different cap. The cap is made of steel with a sort of wing nut on top to get it off. If you change it it will no longer be original. If you do change it, save the neck as some one will want it for a restoration some day. - Wally
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Thu, Nov 20, 2014 8:59 AM
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Reply to brewzer:
You are right to think there are 2 different thread sizes. The early tanks had the thread like yours and then they changed to the bigger thread. I know this because my neighbor has a early 20 with the different cap. The cap is made of steel with a sort of wing nut on top to get it off. If you change it it will no longer be original. If you do change it, save the neck as some one will want it for a restoration some day. - Wally
Tom,
I'll post a picture tomorrow of the right fuel cap for your 20. My big 20 is Serial #L6 and has the original fuel cap.
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Thu, Nov 20, 2014 10:33 AM
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You are right to think there are 2 different thread sizes. The early tanks had the thread like yours and then they changed to the bigger thread. I know this because my neighbor has a early 20 with the different cap. The cap is made of steel with a sort of wing nut on top to get it off. If you change it it will no longer be original. If you do change it, save the neck as some one will want it for a restoration some day. - Wally
Hi Wally,
Thanks for the additional information. I was really confused because the neck assembly looked stock and original. I have located a later replacement neck that is cast brass or bronze.

The one presently on the tank isn't cast but appears to be heavy sheet steel or ?? rolled to fit the tank and riveted. The threaded neck also appears to be steel and is a much lighter gauge than the cast replacement.

If the one on my tank is original, Caterpillar really needed to change the design to a heavier gauge cast part in something that could hold up to continuous use.

I won't throw the part away but I really don't think there is much chance of locating the proper gas cap.

Thanks again,
Tom
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Thu, Nov 20, 2014 10:35 AM
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Hi Wally,
Thanks for the additional information. I was really confused because the neck assembly looked stock and original. I have located a later replacement neck that is cast brass or bronze.

The one presently on the tank isn't cast but appears to be heavy sheet steel or ?? rolled to fit the tank and riveted. The threaded neck also appears to be steel and is a much lighter gauge than the cast replacement.

If the one on my tank is original, Caterpillar really needed to change the design to a heavier gauge cast part in something that could hold up to continuous use.

I won't throw the part away but I really don't think there is much chance of locating the proper gas cap.

Thanks again,
Tom
Here is a picture of the early gas cap for the L/PL Twenties
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Fri, Nov 21, 2014 12:09 AM
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Reply to naylorbros:
Here is a picture of the early gas cap for the L/PL Twenties
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Tom,
Here are two pictures of the early big 20 fuel cap. For information only: In the Caterpillar ten photo archive book you'll find on page 47 a picture of a CAT TEN skidding logs near Mission San Jose, CA., in 1929. Note: I think the date of the picture is incorrect. I personally think that it's 1927 or 1928. If you study the picture you will notice #1 the fuel cap is in the center of the hood and has wings like the early CAT big Twenty. #2 It's a top seat but has fenders like the top seat Big Twenty, or like a tail seat orchard. #3 Notice the latches and handels on the side curtains. #4 If you know CAT10's there is a number of other items that are different. Evidentally this CAT Ten has to be a proto type. On the production 10's they did not use that type of fuel cap and they moved the fuel neck to the end of the tank near the dash.

I think if you are dead set on using the newer type fuel cap I'm sure there would be someone out there that would trade you a newer type tank for your old tank. Good Luck, Frank
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