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Eddie: technique to get a tight D2 bevel gear bearing

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Hi guys,
I pulled the bearing off the 5U's bevel gear shaft today, and wondered how any slack is taken up given that the adjuster has maybe 10 degree adjustments. Can I put shim stock between the adjusting nut and the bearing or will it just chop out? Part numbers are shaft 6B9857, bearing 1B4120, and adjusting nut 4B3416 and nut lock 4B3415.
Also in need of a new trans input shaft / clutch shaft 3H4137 pinion - it's the input shaft incl. gear to the main transmission

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[attachment=24312]5U transmission bevel gear shaft.jpg[/attachment]

Input shaft/pinion

[attachment=24313]5U transmission input shaft.jpg[/attachment]
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Hi Neil,
only ever worked on 933's back in the early to late 1960's and I am sure they had double Timken taper bearings.
I cannot recall how they were held in place--more than likely the same locking system.

From my old J series SRB and Parts B the lock washer has 3 lock screws screwed thru the lock plate and into the nut.
I would expect that because the lock plate engages the splines of the pinion shaft you should be able to "Vernier" the lock plate on the splines to align the lock screw holes in the lock nut in just about any position--I stand to be corrected.

I would likely prefer to machine or, emery down on a fine emery sheet on a flat surface, a small amount off the nut face to gain a good tight joint and lock alignment--I would be wary of shims for the reason you mentioned.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Tue, Jul 15, 2014 10:46 AM
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Reply to edb:
Hi Neil,
only ever worked on 933's back in the early to late 1960's and I am sure they had double Timken taper bearings.
I cannot recall how they were held in place--more than likely the same locking system.

From my old J series SRB and Parts B the lock washer has 3 lock screws screwed thru the lock plate and into the nut.
I would expect that because the lock plate engages the splines of the pinion shaft you should be able to "Vernier" the lock plate on the splines to align the lock screw holes in the lock nut in just about any position--I stand to be corrected.

I would likely prefer to machine or, emery down on a fine emery sheet on a flat surface, a small amount off the nut face to gain a good tight joint and lock alignment--I would be wary of shims for the reason you mentioned.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
Righto, sounds good Eddie, many thanks. I think I do need to get the adjustment better, because the bearing is not held at all at one slot back, but I can't advance to the next slot/spline on the shaft.
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Tue, Jul 15, 2014 6:44 PM
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Righto, sounds good Eddie, many thanks. I think I do need to get the adjustment better, because the bearing is not held at all at one slot back, but I can't advance to the next slot/spline on the shaft.
I neglected to mention that later on in my parts book, after my unit which is 5U13753, they changed to the double-row tapered bearing at 5U14774, and that unit does not have a bearing retaining nut. I guess the force on the bevel pinion is always outwards, keeping the shaft into the bearing
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Wed, Jul 16, 2014 12:37 AM
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Reply to neil:
I neglected to mention that later on in my parts book, after my unit which is 5U13753, they changed to the double-row tapered bearing at 5U14774, and that unit does not have a bearing retaining nut. I guess the force on the bevel pinion is always outwards, keeping the shaft into the bearing
Hi Neil,
the bearing in question does carry end thrust loads in the for and aft directions, depending upon the direction of travel. From memory this fit and more internal clearance for the balls, to allow for the extra fit that then becomes normal clearance after fitting, is the difference between a Cat spec. bearing and the one the bearing house supply as a replacement--there may be other differences too.

See scan below from Service Magazine Feb 28 1955.
The later Timken bearing set up is retained by the orientation of the cups, in the adjustable cage, and this in turn, along with a heavy interference fit, keeps the inner races in place on the shaft.

Cheers,
Eddie B.
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