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17 years 1 month ago #10100 by bender
I am trying to start my Grandpa's old dozer. The serial number on it is 6g1553sp. I spoke with a cat dealer and they thought it was an r4, but the engine on this dozer is a diesel with a pull start pony. It also has hydrolics for the blade. I was trying to find out what the gap should be in the points for the mag. I was able to find a brush for the cap that was broken. I am going to get it tomorrow. I would appreciate any info. Thanks.

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17 years 1 month ago #10101 by SJ
Replied by SJ on topic 6G
According to my Cat SNID book it is listed as an R4 & were first produced in 1935. If it has a diesel probably someone repowered it with a diesel engine.Look on the left side of the diesel block towards the back below the head & see if it has a serial number for the engine & if it,s not the same as the tractor then I,m guessing someone repowered it with the diesel.

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17 years 1 month ago #10123 by gauntjoh
Hi Bender, According to my data, I can confirm that 6G1553 is an RD4, manufactured early 1942 (Serial numbers for 1942 ran from 6G1516 to 6G2942). I understand that from 6G1 to 6G876 the tractor was designated a "Thirty" as cast into the radiator tank top, from 6G877 it changed to RD4.
The SP in your serial number means "Special Parts", I believe that means that special (non standard) gear ratios were installed in that tractor. I have a D2 ser No. 5J2720SP and it was fitted with different ratios for 3rd and 4th gear according to the parts book, I believe for agricultural purposes. It could well be the same for the R4.
As SJ states, many R4's were re-engined with a diesel for economic reasons (probably when the gas engine needed a major overhaul)...well, they were here in UK where gas (petrol) has always been more expensive than in US.
Assuming your engine is a "D4" engine, and has an Eiseman Magneto Model RC-2H, the points gap should be 20 thou, according to my D4 servicemans reference book.

Hope this helps !

John Gaunt, ACMOC Director, UK

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17 years 1 month ago #10127 by SJ
Replied by SJ on topic Rd4
John, these books drive you up a tree with SNs don,t they. This Cat SNID book I have says the RD4 was a 4G SN & came out in 1936 so that,s all I have on it. I remmber seeing a couple 4Gs come into the shop to work on back probably in the late 50s & early 60s.

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17 years 1 month ago #10142 by bender
thank you for your info. The serial number on the engine is 5T19WSP. The mag on the pony motor is an American Bosch MJK 4/23600-47. I wondered if the engine may not have been a replacement.

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17 years 1 month ago #10143 by Jason 10/D4
A 5T should be a mid 40's D4 engine and should be a D4400 if on the side of the block if the Sn on the rear is a 6G one or the other has been swapped out
Jason

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17 years 1 month ago #10145 by gauntjoh
Hi, Just realised I made a typo in my earlier post the 6G ser number is an R4 (not RD4, oops !). 5T19WSP looks like a D4 tractor ser No. the W denotes wide gauge as all D4 had the same prefix, unlike e.g. D2 which were 3J narrow and 5J wide gauge. Don't know why the D4 was numbered differently.

John Gaunt, ACMOC Director, UK

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17 years 1 month ago #10144 by gauntjoh
Hi, Just realised I made a typo in my earlier post the 6G ser number is an R4 (not RD4, oops !). 5T19WSP looks like a D4 tractor ser No. the W denotes wide gauge as all D4 had the same prefix, unlike e.g. D2 which were 3J narrow and 5J wide gauge. Don't know why the D4 was numbered differently.

John Gaunt, ACMOC Director, UK

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17 years 1 month ago #10146 by SJ
Replied by SJ on topic 6G
If the SN on the back of the tractor is 6G & 5T on the engine then the engine from a 5T tractor was installed into it. The SN on the back of the tractor is always the original tractor SN & also on older tractors the SN on the block was the same as on the tractor trans. case on the back above the drawbar.In later years Cat did change the SNs on the engine to what engine it was & the tractor to another one which was what you went buy for parts for the tractor.

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