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jdkoller
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Finally got it off the trailer and tested it out a bit. Everything works. I'm going to straighten out a couple items, sand blast and paint. Does anyone know where to find decals and brass tags for these?

Jamie



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Mon, Jun 9, 2014 4:58 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong but that is a pull grader, not a terrace. A terracer does not have front wheels.
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Mon, Jun 9, 2014 7:37 AM
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Reply to brewzer:
Correct me if I am wrong but that is a pull grader, not a terrace. A terracer does not have front wheels.
Well, It doesn't have any brass tags so, honestly, I do not know. But here is how I came to the Terracer conclusion...right or wrong.

If you look on this site, at the third image from the top, you can see that Terracers do have a front wheel truck as an option.
http://www.chriscomachinery.com/Terracers.htm[attachment=23803]tractionpole.jpg[/attachment]

However, the wheel truck on my machine appears to have the grader configuration instead of the Terracer option. The tongue/pole slides and latches in angled positions like the No 4 grader.
http://www.chriscomachinery.com/PullGraders.htm [attachment=23804]No4hiway.jpg[/attachment]

So after arriving at no real conclusion above, I looked back at the Terracer site and saw that the rear axle is narrow and there are what appears to be some kind of brushes or cleaners mounted to the rear that remove material from the wheels . Mine doesn't have the cleaners, but it has the narrow axle, and the places to mount them.

In addition, it looks to me like the rear axle on the 4 grader is not only much wider, but also slides back an forth. Mine does not.

I'm not sure why Terracer wheels are disk vs. grader wheels being spoked, but that is another item to factor in.

Maybe it is a hybrid, I'm not sure. If anyone else has more information, please correct my conclusions.
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Mon, Jun 9, 2014 9:28 AM
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Well, It doesn't have any brass tags so, honestly, I do not know. But here is how I came to the Terracer conclusion...right or wrong.

If you look on this site, at the third image from the top, you can see that Terracers do have a front wheel truck as an option.
http://www.chriscomachinery.com/Terracers.htm[attachment=23803]tractionpole.jpg[/attachment]

However, the wheel truck on my machine appears to have the grader configuration instead of the Terracer option. The tongue/pole slides and latches in angled positions like the No 4 grader.
http://www.chriscomachinery.com/PullGraders.htm [attachment=23804]No4hiway.jpg[/attachment]

So after arriving at no real conclusion above, I looked back at the Terracer site and saw that the rear axle is narrow and there are what appears to be some kind of brushes or cleaners mounted to the rear that remove material from the wheels . Mine doesn't have the cleaners, but it has the narrow axle, and the places to mount them.

In addition, it looks to me like the rear axle on the 4 grader is not only much wider, but also slides back an forth. Mine does not.

I'm not sure why Terracer wheels are disk vs. grader wheels being spoked, but that is another item to factor in.

Maybe it is a hybrid, I'm not sure. If anyone else has more information, please correct my conclusions.
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I saw one last year on top of a Rock Levee with front wheels and nameplate identifying it as a Terracer.
I might have a photo of it somewhere? If I can't find it, I'll take another next time I drive by it.
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Mon, Jun 9, 2014 6:00 PM
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Reply to drujinin:
I saw one last year on top of a Rock Levee with front wheels and nameplate identifying it as a Terracer.
I might have a photo of it somewhere? If I can't find it, I'll take another next time I drive by it.
I stand corrected. So what is the difference between a terrace and a grader. I thought is had something to do with the front wheels. Maybe the front wheels are removable and it can be pulled without them?
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Mon, Jun 9, 2014 9:22 PM
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I stand corrected. So what is the difference between a terrace and a grader. I thought is had something to do with the front wheels. Maybe the front wheels are removable and it can be pulled without them?
I the cases of the little ones like mine, I think most terracers have two wheels, but some have four. Graders all have four wheels. Terracers have disk wheels, graders have spoked. Terracers have narrow rear axles, graders have a wide, sliding rear axle.

I wonder if the seat option was available in both graders and terracers?

My two bits...Erik would probably know better.

Jamie
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Tue, Jun 10, 2014 6:13 AM
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I the cases of the little ones like mine, I think most terracers have two wheels, but some have four. Graders all have four wheels. Terracers have disk wheels, graders have spoked. Terracers have narrow rear axles, graders have a wide, sliding rear axle.

I wonder if the seat option was available in both graders and terracers?

My two bits...Erik would probably know better.

Jamie
I have no experience in this area but would the difference be to do with what the machines are intended for e.g. (and I'm just making this up as an example), are graders for applying a grade like you'd find on a road (a crown for example) vs. terracers are for making a terrace like I guess would be found in a rice paddy? No idea on my part, just offering this up as a thought?
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Tue, Jun 10, 2014 7:23 PM
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I have no experience in this area but would the difference be to do with what the machines are intended for e.g. (and I'm just making this up as an example), are graders for applying a grade like you'd find on a road (a crown for example) vs. terracers are for making a terrace like I guess would be found in a rice paddy? No idea on my part, just offering this up as a thought?
Sorry i have not responded sooner but i have been super busy at work, it seems that business nowadays is all or nothing, right now 100 hours a week still is not enough time to get it all done.

here is my take on the topic and i am by no means an expert.

The Terracer is a "grader" used for agricultural purposes like "terracing" a field to control run off. In this application a precision finish is not required only a gradual fall in grade to allow water to run in the desired direction. Because it has no front trucks it can handle a rougher terrain.

The Grader is a precision machine were a very smooth outcome is most desired. To aid in the "precision" a set of front trucks are used to stabilize the grader as much as possible.

Now... can you use a grader to terrace?-Yes, and can you use a Terracer to grader a road?-yes but there are advantages to both as well as drawbacks.

As to the question on Jamie's grader being a terracer or a #4 Grader my best guess is the Terracer because of the Solid Disc wheels. I guess the only true way to determine what actual model it is would be to measure all materials on this unit and compare them to the spec sheets for both the #1 Terracer and the #4 Grader. They both have a lot of common parts but there are a few subtle differences. I do know that you could order a front truck for the terracer so it could be used as a grader.
I will see if i can find some more information like how much these units cost new back in the day. Also i have pictures of both units used in a terracing application, i will try and post those later.
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Wed, Jun 11, 2014 6:52 AM
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Any thoughts on the seat options? Universal or only available on graders?

I assume the solid disk wheels along with the wheel "lip" on the disk (or whatever it is called) was used for sideways traction with larger material handling on softer ag soil. A grader would probably not need such strong wheels nor need to push as much material?
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Wed, Jun 11, 2014 8:41 AM
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Reply to jdkoller:
Any thoughts on the seat options? Universal or only available on graders?

I assume the solid disk wheels along with the wheel "lip" on the disk (or whatever it is called) was used for sideways traction with larger material handling on softer ag soil. A grader would probably not need such strong wheels nor need to push as much material?
Correct on the lip it was to keep the wheels firmly planted when moving a large amount of dirt.
As far as a seat i am not aware one for a terracer but the #4 does show one http://www.chriscomachinery.com/PullGraders.htm
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Wed, Jun 11, 2014 9:21 AM
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Correct on the lip it was to keep the wheels firmly planted when moving a large amount of dirt.
As far as a seat i am not aware one for a terracer but the #4 does show one http://www.chriscomachinery.com/PullGraders.htm
Sorry I did bnot get on this post earlier, but my Windows phone will not allow me to reply only look at post. I finaly found time to sit infront of an actual computer. I have a No. 4 Hi Way Patrol with this exact wheel set up. Its serial # listed on the tag is 3D1048. I also have all three parts books for this grader. They are Form P-1554 (Effevtive with 3D1 to 3D200), FOrm 5522 (Effective with Machine 3D201), and Form 30122 (this is for Serial No.3D1301 -up and is listed as the Preco No. $ Hi-Way Patrol. THe last catalo the Grader at the listed serial #'s were Built by Preco Incorporated in Los Angeles under lisense from Caterpillar Tractor Co. of Peoria, IL. The wheel group shown in the grader/terracer in question is listed in the last PRECO parts book as 2B4361 Front wheel group and 2B4709 Rear wheel Group. The thing I can't figure out is my serial number on the tag is 253 machines before the first machine listed on the PRECO Parts book that list the wheels. Maybe I am missing a parts book in the breakdown of machines (just found these 3 on e-bay by chance). Three pictures of mine are included as well as the front and back of the spc sheet. And I Hope I shined some light in this debate, or maybe made it muddier.
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