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Gregness
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Hi Guys,

This week I am at my little ranch in NW Washington (so close to Canada I start saying "eh") and doing some tree thinning and trimming limbs and enjoying the mountain early spring. This old cattle ranch has a couple of fields that have started to be taken over by pine trees, ranging from 3" in diameter to about 16". Probably 30 acres worth. Hundreds of trees.

I plan to reclaim these fields and put them in alfalfa. I know it would take the rest of my life to do this with my D2, so here is the question. If I do it myself, should I a. Buy a used excavator with a thumb and rip them out?
b. Buy a bigger old Cat (D6-D7) and clear with that?
c. Give up now and start drinking even more.

What say You?

Greg
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Fri, Apr 11, 2014 9:40 AM
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[quote="Gregness"]Hi Guys,

This week I am at my little ranch in NW Washington (so close to Canada I start saying "eh"😉 and doing some tree thinning and trimming limbs and enjoying the mountain early spring. This old cattle ranch has a couple of fields that have started to be taken over by pine trees, ranging from 3" in diameter to about 16". Probably 30 acres worth. Hundreds of trees.

I plan to reclaim these fields and put them in alfalfa. I know it would take the rest of my life to do this with my D2, so here is the question. If I do it myself, should I a. Buy a used excavator with a thumb and rip them out?
b. Buy a bigger old Cat (D6-D7) and clear with that?
c. Give up now and start drinking even more.

What say You?

Greg[/quote]

Owning 240 Acres, on one town and 40 in another. I would opt for plan B and C, An old Cat D7 or D8 would be ideal, time saving and fuel efficient, and the $$$$ you save in fuel and figuring your labor can be used for Plan C at the end of the day.
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Fri, Apr 11, 2014 10:56 AM
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An excavator with a thumb is handy as and you can clear a larger area without moving the tracks as much as you would on a crawler dozer, every time you roll the tracks they wear and that eventually costs you money. plus excavators are great at removing the stumps, especially if you have a brush rake attachment instead of a bucket combined with the thumb.
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Fri, Apr 11, 2014 10:59 AM
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An excavator with a thumb is handy as and you can clear a larger area without moving the tracks as much as you would on a crawler dozer, every time you roll the tracks they wear and that eventually costs you money. plus excavators are great at removing the stumps, especially if you have a brush rake attachment instead of a bucket combined with the thumb.
If its mostly pine check with a pulp mill or timber cutter if they would clear cut it for the wood then you can handle the stumps and brush with a 7 or 8 tractor. If your not going to burn the stumps and just pile them to the side then use a good size excavator or else grub them out with a straight blade then use a heavy root rake to stack and burn the material. You could also rent a grinder on an excavator or track machine to grind everything up [stumps and brush] with out burning. If I was closer to your area I would clear it with a Rome blade and stack with a rake. Don't know if many Rome blades are out west. It always easier to get the large timber or trees cut and out of the way first then tackle the rest.
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Fri, Apr 11, 2014 11:20 AM
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If its mostly pine check with a pulp mill or timber cutter if they would clear cut it for the wood then you can handle the stumps and brush with a 7 or 8 tractor. If your not going to burn the stumps and just pile them to the side then use a good size excavator or else grub them out with a straight blade then use a heavy root rake to stack and burn the material. You could also rent a grinder on an excavator or track machine to grind everything up [stumps and brush] with out burning. If I was closer to your area I would clear it with a Rome blade and stack with a rake. Don't know if many Rome blades are out west. It always easier to get the large timber or trees cut and out of the way first then tackle the rest.
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Yeah its all pine. Trees are mostly smaller and the only mill for 50 miles closed down. I plan to check around see if anyone wants to at least take the bigger trees. I was thinking the excavator would be best for getting the stumps out, but maybe since they are mostly smaller a cat could just push them over and pop them out.

There are a couple of idle 6's and 7's in the valley that might be available for little money though...

G
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Fri, Apr 11, 2014 11:55 AM
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If its mostly pine check with a pulp mill or timber cutter if they would clear cut it for the wood then you can handle the stumps and brush with a 7 or 8 tractor. If your not going to burn the stumps and just pile them to the side then use a good size excavator or else grub them out with a straight blade then use a heavy root rake to stack and burn the material. You could also rent a grinder on an excavator or track machine to grind everything up [stumps and brush] with out burning. If I was closer to your area I would clear it with a Rome blade and stack with a rake. Don't know if many Rome blades are out west. It always easier to get the large timber or trees cut and out of the way first then tackle the rest.
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I would use the excavator with a thumb, it is a lot faster. Plus you can make a burn pile, light it and keep adding more limbs/stumps as you go to get rid of the unwanted material, without getting too close to the fire. Also, you can take a tree down and dig out the stump at the same time. Also, if you wanted to cut the logs into lengths for firewood you could do it at standing height instead of having to bend over by holding with the thumb and bucket, then you can use the excavator to make a log pile if you wanted to. After you clear everything take your D2 out there and smooth it out for farming. We had 7 acres logged then went in to clean up the limbs and stumps later, some were small, others were over 36" in diameter, every one I have talked to said that was the bass ackwards way of doing it, I later cleared another acre with an excavator and it was 10 times faster. Good luck and have fun.
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Fri, Apr 11, 2014 12:01 PM
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I would use the excavator with a thumb, it is a lot faster. Plus you can make a burn pile, light it and keep adding more limbs/stumps as you go to get rid of the unwanted material, without getting too close to the fire. Also, you can take a tree down and dig out the stump at the same time. Also, if you wanted to cut the logs into lengths for firewood you could do it at standing height instead of having to bend over by holding with the thumb and bucket, then you can use the excavator to make a log pile if you wanted to. After you clear everything take your D2 out there and smooth it out for farming. We had 7 acres logged then went in to clean up the limbs and stumps later, some were small, others were over 36" in diameter, every one I have talked to said that was the bass ackwards way of doing it, I later cleared another acre with an excavator and it was 10 times faster. Good luck and have fun.
One other thing, I spent 12 hours clearing brush and digging stumps in a newer Deere 120 excavator and only used 18 gallons of fuel, I would say that is pretty efficient use of fuel.
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Fri, Apr 11, 2014 12:03 PM
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I would use the excavator with a thumb, it is a lot faster. Plus you can make a burn pile, light it and keep adding more limbs/stumps as you go to get rid of the unwanted material, without getting too close to the fire. Also, you can take a tree down and dig out the stump at the same time. Also, if you wanted to cut the logs into lengths for firewood you could do it at standing height instead of having to bend over by holding with the thumb and bucket, then you can use the excavator to make a log pile if you wanted to. After you clear everything take your D2 out there and smooth it out for farming. We had 7 acres logged then went in to clean up the limbs and stumps later, some were small, others were over 36" in diameter, every one I have talked to said that was the bass ackwards way of doing it, I later cleared another acre with an excavator and it was 10 times faster. Good luck and have fun.


Unfortunately, I cannot afford to burn the stumps and slash. Our insane State Dept. of Ecology charges thousands for burning- a "carbon tax" if you will. A single large pile can cost $5000 to burn. Un-freaking believable but true!

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Fri, Apr 11, 2014 12:11 PM
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Unfortunately, I cannot afford to burn the stumps and slash. Our insane State Dept. of Ecology charges thousands for burning- a "carbon tax" if you will. A single large pile can cost $5000 to burn. Un-freaking believable but true!

G
We are reclaiming a Christmas Tree Farm for a neighbor.
An Excavator is the way to go!
Grab, Push away, Pull back up straight, Twist sideways, Pull out, Shake dirt in hole.
Swing to side, Release in a row.
Then you can push them into a pile for Wildlife Habitat!
We did 10 acres last Spring, this Spring we'll go back to do 10 acres more.
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Fri, Apr 11, 2014 7:10 PM
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Unfortunately, I cannot afford to burn the stumps and slash. Our insane State Dept. of Ecology charges thousands for burning- a "carbon tax" if you will. A single large pile can cost $5000 to burn. Un-freaking believable but true!

G
Gregness, wow that's sucks! And no fines or regulations for every jet airplane that takes off and pollutes the air! and how many of those damn things take off every few seconds around the world???? Theres all your greenhouse gases and global warming right there EPA!!!!!!! They should stick there noses there instead of up every little contractors rear trying to burn a brush pile!!!!
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Fri, Apr 11, 2014 7:16 PM
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Gregness, wow that's sucks! And no fines or regulations for every jet airplane that takes off and pollutes the air! and how many of those damn things take off every few seconds around the world???? Theres all your greenhouse gases and global warming right there EPA!!!!!!! They should stick there noses there instead of up every little contractors rear trying to burn a brush pile!!!!
Gregness, I'm sorry you can't burn, that sucks. I live in NW Oregon, just south of Portland, because I'm in an exclusive farm use area I can burn almost anytime, all I have to do is go online and check to see if it is a burn day. Maybe you could have a tub grinder brought in after the excavator and sell the mulch after everything is ground up. Not sure if that's an option but it is an idea that would probably work. I had no idea that the state of Washington had gone so completely INSANE! Just wondering if you looked into an ag burn permit if that is allowed there? Good Luck.
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