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I have an RD6 that I have been getting quotes for Sand Blast and Paint.
One place said they would do it but asked about Lead in the Paint.
I told them that I honestly didn't know?
Can anyone chime in and say whether "Old" CAT Paint would have Lead in it or not?
Thanks!
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Sat, Nov 16, 2013 3:51 AM
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Wow I can't believe that is an issue. Doesn't the guy doing the blasting wear a fresh air respirator?
Is he doing the blasting over a body of water 😆

To answer your question; Yes, there is lead in the old CAT yellow. That's why it has lasted so many years.
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Sat, Nov 16, 2013 4:10 AM
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Wow I can't believe that is an issue. Doesn't the guy doing the blasting wear a fresh air respirator?
Is he doing the blasting over a body of water 😆

To answer your question; Yes, there is lead in the old CAT yellow. That's why it has lasted so many years.
I just treat all old coats of paint as if they're lead based, cause most usually are!😆 His concern about leaded paint probably has to do with environmental disposal issues, whether it be trying to re-use the old sand or worrying about the lead paint residue ending up on the ground.
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Sat, Nov 16, 2013 4:49 AM
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I just treat all old coats of paint as if they're lead based, cause most usually are!😆 His concern about leaded paint probably has to do with environmental disposal issues, whether it be trying to re-use the old sand or worrying about the lead paint residue ending up on the ground.
the environmental regs on lead paint are all inclusive. Content of lead of just 5% makes it subject to a multitude of requirements. such as complete containment of blast residue, recording and legal disposal of all residue,and up to background blood checks and monitoring of employees lead levels.
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Sat, Nov 16, 2013 7:23 AM
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the environmental regs on lead paint are all inclusive. Content of lead of just 5% makes it subject to a multitude of requirements. such as complete containment of blast residue, recording and legal disposal of all residue,and up to background blood checks and monitoring of employees lead levels.
It is an Environmental/Disposal issue plus his Employees which is why he asked.
I didn't know if Lead was NOT put in paint that early, then added later when the Navy couldn't keep the Ships from rusting.
All the Quick GOOGLE search results are about house paint.
I'll get some samples tested of the paint, then factor this into what it will cost to sand blast.

You know in the grand scheme of things there are probably 1000's of guys out there with thier Harbor Frieght or Tractor Supply sand blasters doing "Restoration" paint jobs on old machinery and do not even realize there maybe Lead in the paint?
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Sat, Nov 16, 2013 7:26 PM
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It is an Environmental/Disposal issue plus his Employees which is why he asked.
I didn't know if Lead was NOT put in paint that early, then added later when the Navy couldn't keep the Ships from rusting.
All the Quick GOOGLE search results are about house paint.
I'll get some samples tested of the paint, then factor this into what it will cost to sand blast.

You know in the grand scheme of things there are probably 1000's of guys out there with thier Harbor Frieght or Tractor Supply sand blasters doing "Restoration" paint jobs on old machinery and do not even realize there maybe Lead in the paint?
Since lead poisoning is created by a time/concentration average i would suspect that the average person would not reach threshold values.
If minimal protection is used, such as coveralls, hat, breathing filter or respirator, and in an open area' that all reduces absorption quite a bit.
My bridge painting inspectors never reached significant levels.
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Sat, Nov 16, 2013 8:33 PM
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It is an Environmental/Disposal issue plus his Employees which is why he asked.
I didn't know if Lead was NOT put in paint that early, then added later when the Navy couldn't keep the Ships from rusting.
All the Quick GOOGLE search results are about house paint.
I'll get some samples tested of the paint, then factor this into what it will cost to sand blast.

You know in the grand scheme of things there are probably 1000's of guys out there with thier Harbor Frieght or Tractor Supply sand blasters doing "Restoration" paint jobs on old machinery and do not even realize there maybe Lead in the paint?
It has probably only been 20 years ago that the regulations stated that you could not discharge "more than 10 lbs of lead vapor a day into the atmosphere" when melting for welding, fishing weights, leaded pipe joints, etc. I always wondered how much lead it took to reach the limit and how it could be quantified. I think the regulation was probably geared toward manufacturing. It was never an issue on our projects with OSHA inspections when leading the cast pipe joints in the old days. Now when we install lead on x-ray rooms we have to cut the sheets with a cold process that will not heat or melt the lead in any manner. It was a good day when the hospital code people finally decided that no hub fittings would hold up and were OK to use for hospital waste.
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Sat, Nov 16, 2013 8:44 PM
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It has probably only been 20 years ago that the regulations stated that you could not discharge "more than 10 lbs of lead vapor a day into the atmosphere" when melting for welding, fishing weights, leaded pipe joints, etc. I always wondered how much lead it took to reach the limit and how it could be quantified. I think the regulation was probably geared toward manufacturing. It was never an issue on our projects with OSHA inspections when leading the cast pipe joints in the old days. Now when we install lead on x-ray rooms we have to cut the sheets with a cold process that will not heat or melt the lead in any manner. It was a good day when the hospital code people finally decided that no hub fittings would hold up and were OK to use for hospital waste.
Jeff the simple answer is most all commercial paints have a small amount of lead in them. I would think the machine you have has lead in the paint. Newer style automotive paint is to be lead free. But as a few years ago the Gov. was not as concerned about lead in Commercial colors, but I believe this has changed or is changing. The blasting companies now have to dispose of the left over waste. If it hazard material then the proper cleanup methods need to be used.
You can get more info call Stuart Tank in your town as we had them do a lot of blasting of semi trailers for us or Budget Truck and Auto Body in Janesville and ask for Russ. Russ knows me and can give you the run down. Both do sand blasting of larger pieces.
Terry
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Sat, Nov 16, 2013 11:19 PM
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It has probably only been 20 years ago that the regulations stated that you could not discharge "more than 10 lbs of lead vapor a day into the atmosphere" when melting for welding, fishing weights, leaded pipe joints, etc. I always wondered how much lead it took to reach the limit and how it could be quantified. I think the regulation was probably geared toward manufacturing. It was never an issue on our projects with OSHA inspections when leading the cast pipe joints in the old days. Now when we install lead on x-ray rooms we have to cut the sheets with a cold process that will not heat or melt the lead in any manner. It was a good day when the hospital code people finally decided that no hub fittings would hold up and were OK to use for hospital waste.
In my job we work on old stained glass windows. When I used to work outside we would have to take necessary precautions by wearing a Tyvex white suit and wear a Hepa filter respirator and enclose the scaffolding around the window with plastic and hook up a air cleaner.
Not everybody wanted to abide by those rules of course. Every so often we would go get our blood lead levels tested and mine was never very high, maybe 9 or 12 but some of my coworkers who smoked , their levels would be as high as 25+ due to having lead on their hands and inhaling the dust with the smoke. One time one guy had levels as high as 49 which made him eligible to collect workman's comp till he tested lower. I really think he did it on purpose so he could sit home and collect.
To my knowledge in our 114 yrs in business nobody has ever died from lead poisoning. One of my mentors; an old German guy lived to be 93. I remember when I was young seeing him eating his lunch on a paper towel on top of a leaded panel he was working on.
I guess if you eat enough you will die if you don't have any common sense not to. Remember the old TV adds of the 70's showing a poor child eating paint chips from his run down home? Just another way to justify building brand new public housing.I think all of this EPA crap is just another way for government to hold us back from doing anything .
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Sat, Nov 16, 2013 11:25 PM
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In my job we work on old stained glass windows. When I used to work outside we would have to take necessary precautions by wearing a Tyvex white suit and wear a Hepa filter respirator and enclose the scaffolding around the window with plastic and hook up a air cleaner.
Not everybody wanted to abide by those rules of course. Every so often we would go get our blood lead levels tested and mine was never very high, maybe 9 or 12 but some of my coworkers who smoked , their levels would be as high as 25+ due to having lead on their hands and inhaling the dust with the smoke. One time one guy had levels as high as 49 which made him eligible to collect workman's comp till he tested lower. I really think he did it on purpose so he could sit home and collect.
To my knowledge in our 114 yrs in business nobody has ever died from lead poisoning. One of my mentors; an old German guy lived to be 93. I remember when I was young seeing him eating his lunch on a paper towel on top of a leaded panel he was working on.
I guess if you eat enough you will die if you don't have any common sense not to. Remember the old TV adds of the 70's showing a poor child eating paint chips from his run down home? Just another way to justify building brand new public housing.I think all of this EPA crap is just another way for government to hold us back from doing anything .
im a ny contractor with the epa lead certification, iv definitely been exposed and its not something to be taken lightly, use precautions and common sense. my youngest is mildly autistic and iv often wondered if it wasn't caused by my exposure from renovations prior to certification? don't think of it as nothing, its really serious.
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Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:11 AM
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im a ny contractor with the epa lead certification, iv definitely been exposed and its not something to be taken lightly, use precautions and common sense. my youngest is mildly autistic and iv often wondered if it wasn't caused by my exposure from renovations prior to certification? don't think of it as nothing, its really serious.
Tell me guys if the EPA is so worried about the lead in the paint dust off one sand blasted machine,(or more) Why can you still cast(melting) mostly lead bullets by the hundreds? Then take them to the local shooting range sit down beside your buddy(who dose the same) and blast them up at a 100 yard target where literally pounds of lead are left imbedded in the earthen backstops and for the most part not recovered? I would have to believe this would be hundreds of times more exposure to lead than the little bit of lead that's in paint, or what is left mixed with the blasting agents on the ground EPA is so worried about, and the shooting range is open to the public often times teenage children are the ones changing the targets.
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