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Jim Davis
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The pony motor on my D2 pumps out the crankcase oil, not only at the main bearing on the flywheel end, but at a spot or two on the top cover (haven't identified the exact places yet)

I'm wondering if a lot of this is the result of excessive blow-by. Do you think worn rings could be allowing so much combustion pressure into the crankcase that the crankcase scavenger can't begin to deal with it, making the engine blow oil from every possible place?

Thanks for any ideas/opinions

Jim
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Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:35 AM
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Yes.

Dipstick usually jumps up and down too.

Might wanty to check the breather for blockage though.
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Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:38 AM
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Yes.

Dipstick usually jumps up and down too.

Might wanty to check the breather for blockage though.
I checked the breather today and found it clear. I'm thinking of leaving the cap off the oil filler neck to see if that helps relieve the crankcase pressure. Would not be a solution, but would give me more information to consider. It's looking like a ring job is in order.

Are .010 oversized rings available for the pony on D2 5U5353? If so, what's a ballpark guess on the price of a set?

I've made rings for a couple of antique outboards, but I don't think I have cast iron stock bi enough for these pistons.

Jim
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Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:06 AM
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You don't need new 0.010" oversize rings unless you are going to bore it and get larger pistons. There are unfinished pistons available and should be able to get rings in almost any oversize up to the largest possible finished piston size of ? 0.060? If not available from CAT or Hastings, some of the custom ring production shops should be able to help.

A new set of rings in the current bore size might work wonders if the cylinders are OK and rings are just stuck etc.
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Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:27 AM
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Any chance the pony is overfull with gasoline diluted oil? Or just over filled with oil? I think they hold a quart. Could be the reason you are getting so much leakage.
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Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:53 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Any chance the pony is overfull with gasoline diluted oil? Or just over filled with oil? I think they hold a quart. Could be the reason you are getting so much leakage.


I do think it may have had too much oil in it. It is sitting pointed slightly downhill, which could make the dipstick read low. I did have it slightly above the full mark.

I have a spare carburetor (it's pretty grungy and I am taking it apart to clean it inside and out). The carb that is on the pony is a compact assemblage of infinite uncertainties--can't get an idea which problems are making it unpredictable. Some times it will take off and run long enough for me to try fiddling with the throttle and choke, get it going smoothly for a few seconds, then it just quits. Next time I pull the rope, it may go again or it may just pop or not even fire. Totally unpredictable.

The tank is clean and the lines are clean, so, I'm looking at carburetor issues.

Got to get it to run before I can figure out the oil pumping issue.

Thanks for your help.

Jim
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Tue, Oct 29, 2013 12:20 AM
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Well worth a proper cleaning which includes drilling out the soft plugs and running a drill through the passageways. So many have fuel supply problems from the tank and lines being full of rust, but sounds like you have eliminated that. The carburetor is on the receiving end of that gunk as well as varnish problems from gas evaporating in the bowl.

The one that I found to be my problem was across the bottom of the bowl from the high speed needle to the plug that holds in the high speed metering well. I had blown it out with ether and compressed air, but the pony just didn't have any power. It would only run with a lot of choke and barely would start the main engine if you were careful. The last time I had it off, I finally bit the bullet and drilled it. After cleaning, I plugged the hole with a bead of soft solder I melted off some rosin core electrical solder. Just tapped it into the hole. Others have used a sealant covered BB shot or lead pellet.

Have fun!
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Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:03 AM
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Well worth a proper cleaning which includes drilling out the soft plugs and running a drill through the passageways. So many have fuel supply problems from the tank and lines being full of rust, but sounds like you have eliminated that. The carburetor is on the receiving end of that gunk as well as varnish problems from gas evaporating in the bowl.

The one that I found to be my problem was across the bottom of the bowl from the high speed needle to the plug that holds in the high speed metering well. I had blown it out with ether and compressed air, but the pony just didn't have any power. It would only run with a lot of choke and barely would start the main engine if you were careful. The last time I had it off, I finally bit the bullet and drilled it. After cleaning, I plugged the hole with a bead of soft solder I melted off some rosin core electrical solder. Just tapped it into the hole. Others have used a sealant covered BB shot or lead pellet.

Have fun!
I tried the pony again with success. Left the fuel valve closed, opened the petcocks and cranked until the cylinders were "dried out" and I got a pop out of it. I wrapped the rope, opened the fuel valve a half turn, put the choke button almost all the way out and gave it a pull. It started and I was able to get it running OK just the way you described, cc--lots of choke and less than full power.

I let it crank the big engine for maybe 10 minutes, trying to heat up the coolant so my stop leak might work. Wasn't getting any diesel to or beyond the pump. have to sort that out next. Oil in pony was off the stick when I shut it down. One nice thing--the pony would slow down to an idle and just tick over after running for 10 minutes. I'm sure that if I had fuel to the diesel, it would start.

Jim
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Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:12 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Well worth a proper cleaning which includes drilling out the soft plugs and running a drill through the passageways. So many have fuel supply problems from the tank and lines being full of rust, but sounds like you have eliminated that. The carburetor is on the receiving end of that gunk as well as varnish problems from gas evaporating in the bowl.

The one that I found to be my problem was across the bottom of the bowl from the high speed needle to the plug that holds in the high speed metering well. I had blown it out with ether and compressed air, but the pony just didn't have any power. It would only run with a lot of choke and barely would start the main engine if you were careful. The last time I had it off, I finally bit the bullet and drilled it. After cleaning, I plugged the hole with a bead of soft solder I melted off some rosin core electrical solder. Just tapped it into the hole. Others have used a sealant covered BB shot or lead pellet.

Have fun!
By way of comparison, the high speed jet and passageway on my carb is good (although I haven't tested it under load) but the pony won't idle without choke, so I'm going back in to the idle passage which also runs along the bottom, and particularly the idle orifice which sits right in the bottom of the float chamber. I suspect when I get that re-cleaned ( I was sure I did it last time but...), it should idle nicely after that.

Cheers,
Neil.,
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Reply to neil:
By way of comparison, the high speed jet and passageway on my carb is good (although I haven't tested it under load) but the pony won't idle without choke, so I'm going back in to the idle passage which also runs along the bottom, and particularly the idle orifice which sits right in the bottom of the float chamber. I suspect when I get that re-cleaned ( I was sure I did it last time but...), it should idle nicely after that.

Cheers,
Neil.,
just a thought... Napa sells a one gallon container of carburetor cleaner, it even has a basket that u can put all the small jets of a carb in, EXTREMELY effective
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Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:00 AM
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just a thought... Napa sells a one gallon container of carburetor cleaner, it even has a basket that u can put all the small jets of a carb in, EXTREMELY effective


Can you offer a ballpark figure of the cost? Sounds promising.

Jim
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