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212 Grader Wheel Removal Process

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We have a flat tire that I need to replace the tube in on one of the front rear wheels. I was able to remove all of the bolts/nuts/clamps at the rim, but have been unsuccessful in removing the rim from the center hub. I am planning on removing the entire assembly. I see that I need to flatten the washer on the center nut and I have found the two threaded holes near the center nut (both filled with cork). Are the holes to mount a puller or are they used to push the wheel assembly off of the shaft? Since this is the front rear wheel, there are no brakes on this assembly. I have seen the other posts about using a puller related to accessing the brakes, I didn't know if this was the same situation.

Thank you in advance for your input.

Ken J.
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Wed, Jul 10, 2013 7:37 PM
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The holes are for threaded rod/bolts to use an "H" style puller. I believe they are 5/8" coarse thread. Tighten up puller as tight as you can get it and if that doesn't pop it off, smack the end of the puller with a sledge. (It's best to leave the nut on the spindle, just loose, so the thing doesn't hurt someone when it comes loose)

Unless you have another reason for getting in there, I would not pull the hub to change out a tire/tube. Should be possible to change the tire on the rim with it mounted on the grader. Or if you are determined to get it off, the one I did resisted all kinds of force including backhoe buckets until I got the "BFH" and started in on it. At that point I had little hope it was going to work after nothing else had budged it, but after less than a dozen licks with a 10 pound sledge, the hub popped out of the rim. I had blocked the rim up on something solid and was hitting the heavy hub in the center.

I had taken the wheel off to work on the cause of a scrubbing noise inside one brake drum. Turned out to be a piece of brake lining that had broken off, so not serious, but it was nice to replace the lining and had very good brakes after rebuilding the master cylinder.

I would use some kind of penetrating oil (half ATF and half acetone is a good cheap substitute for some of the proprietary brands) and then see if some work with the sledge hammer won't knock it loose. Not the easiest position to swing on something lying on the ground under a machine! Might be able to take a heavy piece of shaft or something and stick through from the opposite side and suspend it with ropes so it will swing and sort of "pile drive" the wheel off. It will help if you can rotate the wheel as you're hitting it, so you "rock" the rim back and forth to loosen it from the hub. Since there is no differential in the drive, you would have to either jack the whole back of the grader up (including the rear of the tandem housings since they are the heavier end and will stay on the ground) or simply drive the grader forward and backward as needed and then jack it back up again to hit it some more.

Good luck!

Oh, if you do take the hub off the spindle, it must be pressed back on. I think the spec is 40 ton! I had no proper tooling to do it with, but I welded up a special nut to hold a cross-bar and used two 20 ton hydraulic jacks to press the one I took off back on. If you would like, I still have the nut hanging on the wall and could send it to you. When we bought the grader it wasn't running because of engine problems, but had run for quite a while with one of the hubs loose on the spindle. This ruined the taper on both the hub and spindle, so I would make shift to press it on properly. These parts don't grow on trees.......... around here anyway😆
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Wed, Jul 10, 2013 8:52 PM
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If there are puller holes ,the center wheel is on a tapered on a keyed shaft ,like the rear wheels .
I think if I was faced with your problem .I would still try to get the rim off the wheel ,by soaking the rim with penetrating oil ,use a 16 or 20lb mall on the back of rim or possibly a hydraulic ram or jack to jack against the inside of rim to the goose neck .
If you do sucksede in taking the inner rim off the whole assembly is going to be heavy to handle .
Most of the tires I have seen changed on graders ,the tire was dismounted by just jacking up the wheel ,and braking the tire off the rim still mounted on the grader ,and reinstalled .Thats where an experienced tire man comes into play,and may pay you in the long run.
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Wed, Jul 10, 2013 8:59 PM
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If there are puller holes ,the center wheel is on a tapered on a keyed shaft ,like the rear wheels .
I think if I was faced with your problem .I would still try to get the rim off the wheel ,by soaking the rim with penetrating oil ,use a 16 or 20lb mall on the back of rim or possibly a hydraulic ram or jack to jack against the inside of rim to the goose neck .
If you do sucksede in taking the inner rim off the whole assembly is going to be heavy to handle .
Most of the tires I have seen changed on graders ,the tire was dismounted by just jacking up the wheel ,and braking the tire off the rim still mounted on the grader ,and reinstalled .Thats where an experienced tire man comes into play,and may pay you in the long run.
I have not tried this on a model 212 but it will work on an 8t series 12.

You do not need to pull the hub from the axle to fix the tire. Use a jack horizontally between the chain case and the rim. It will come loose. You may have to rotate the wheel so that the jack can be located against the rim opposite from where you started.

If you need to remove the hub and the machine will run and travel about, remove the large nut that holds the hub to the axle. Next remove the thick washer beneath the nut and reinstall the nut, but do not tighten it against the hub. Leave about 1/16 inch space between the nut and hub. Put the machine to work and keep an eye on the hub/nut/axle. It will eventually loosen itself. You would ideally stop work when it does, jack up the tandem and remove the hub/wheel/tire assembly. We never used a press to reinstall the hub onto the axle; just tightened the nut onto the axle against the hub and the machine worked many years afterward without the hub working loose.

Now if the tire/tube are flat and going to be replaced anyway, resourceful/lazy folks have opted to remove the lugs from the rim, together with the lock ring on the rim, and run the machine until the flat tire breaks loose from the rim and/or the rim breaks loose from the hub. Saves wear and tear on the maul, break down tools, and back.

Good luck with it,
Thomas
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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 8:51 AM
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I have not tried this on a model 212 but it will work on an 8t series 12.

You do not need to pull the hub from the axle to fix the tire. Use a jack horizontally between the chain case and the rim. It will come loose. You may have to rotate the wheel so that the jack can be located against the rim opposite from where you started.

If you need to remove the hub and the machine will run and travel about, remove the large nut that holds the hub to the axle. Next remove the thick washer beneath the nut and reinstall the nut, but do not tighten it against the hub. Leave about 1/16 inch space between the nut and hub. Put the machine to work and keep an eye on the hub/nut/axle. It will eventually loosen itself. You would ideally stop work when it does, jack up the tandem and remove the hub/wheel/tire assembly. We never used a press to reinstall the hub onto the axle; just tightened the nut onto the axle against the hub and the machine worked many years afterward without the hub working loose.

Now if the tire/tube are flat and going to be replaced anyway, resourceful/lazy folks have opted to remove the lugs from the rim, together with the lock ring on the rim, and run the machine until the flat tire breaks loose from the rim and/or the rim breaks loose from the hub. Saves wear and tear on the maul, break down tools, and back.

Good luck with it,
Thomas
I removed tightly rusted rims on a 112F using the following process:

1. Removed tire and all related rubber components.

2. Set up small hydraulic ram between tandem case and rim. Used CAT manual pump (service tool) to power ram.

3. Pressed against rim with ram, then rotated wheel in 45 deg increments and repeated pressing with ram. (this is much more controllable than using sledge hammer and does not damage rim)

4. On very stubborn rims, applied Kroil to joint and also heated rim with rose bud at inside center over full 360 deg. This both breaks the rust and expands the rim to help press off.

5. After sandblast and paint, rims could be mounted very easily with about 1/8" clearance all around cast center.

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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 10:05 AM
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I removed tightly rusted rims on a 112F using the following process:

1. Removed tire and all related rubber components.

2. Set up small hydraulic ram between tandem case and rim. Used CAT manual pump (service tool) to power ram.

3. Pressed against rim with ram, then rotated wheel in 45 deg increments and repeated pressing with ram. (this is much more controllable than using sledge hammer and does not damage rim)

4. On very stubborn rims, applied Kroil to joint and also heated rim with rose bud at inside center over full 360 deg. This both breaks the rust and expands the rim to help press off.

5. After sandblast and paint, rims could be mounted very easily with about 1/8" clearance all around cast center.

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Thanks for all of the insight. I have been stopping by and spraying the rim every chance I can get with Sea Foam "Deep Creep" and PB Blaster (don't have any Kroil handy). Problem is I am working on it in the digging are of Rough & Tumble in Kinzers and not at my shop. I placed a jack in behind the rim and with having that under full pressure on the rim and me under the machine with a sledge, there is absolutely no movement.

I am most likely going to remove the tire from the rim where it sits and get the tube replaced.

Thanks again for the information.

Have a good one,

Ken
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Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:17 PM
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Reply to kenj:
Thanks for all of the insight. I have been stopping by and spraying the rim every chance I can get with Sea Foam "Deep Creep" and PB Blaster (don't have any Kroil handy). Problem is I am working on it in the digging are of Rough & Tumble in Kinzers and not at my shop. I placed a jack in behind the rim and with having that under full pressure on the rim and me under the machine with a sledge, there is absolutely no movement.

I am most likely going to remove the tire from the rim where it sits and get the tube replaced.

Thanks again for the information.

Have a good one,

Ken
The easy way to deal with this is to just jack it up and take the tire and tube off the rim and leave the steel rim on the hub. Finding the correct sized tube for those 10.00 tires is near impossible and all the available -might fits- are too thin and the stem is in the wrong location. Reposition the stem by cutting off, patching hole and installing replacement in correct position and the tube will work.
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Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:25 AM
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The easy way to deal with this is to just jack it up and take the tire and tube off the rim and leave the steel rim on the hub. Finding the correct sized tube for those 10.00 tires is near impossible and all the available -might fits- are too thin and the stem is in the wrong location. Reposition the stem by cutting off, patching hole and installing replacement in correct position and the tube will work.
I've got a 212 Grader up on blocks that I have taken all 4 tires/rims off...Took some work, but I use ATF in a squirt can...to oil all the nuts, washers, and the area between the rims and the hubs...It takes some time for the ATF to soak through the rust...,but it does work...Then work with a sledge hammer, and a short handled sledge hammer for tight places,...to pound on the tire to break it loose from the hub...Let your local tire shop take the tire off the rim, and replace the tube...Be careful of the lock ring on the rim...It can kill you if it pops off when inflating the tire...I have photos,...that I can e-mail..., but I won't go thru the hassle of posting them...
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