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CAT D4 oil pressure?

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17 years 3 months ago #8027 by tinytec
CAT D4 oil pressure? was created by tinytec
The engine oil pressure on my 1947? D-4, serial 6U 2831, reads really low. I bought a new Stewart Warner gage (not yet installed) but it shows only a red and a green zone, with no PSI numbers.

What is the typical pressure on this engine?

Thank you!

Fred

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17 years 3 months ago #8029 by SJ
Replied by SJ on topic Pressure
If I remember it was between 30-40 lbs. depending on the oil temp. & condition of the engine. There is so many things that effect the pressure from a stuck relief valve to worn pump & main bearings or another minor thing or a combination of all. In the idle position the pressure can drop quite considerbly even to 15 or 20 lbs.

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17 years 3 months ago #8030 by Old Magnet
Replied by Old Magnet on topic CAT D4 oil pressure?
Regulated to 30 psi max is what is stated in the manual.

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17 years 3 months ago #8034 by ttman4
Replied by ttman4 on topic CAT D4 oil pressure?
If a stuck relief valve is the problem on one of these tractors, will the pressure be hi or lo generally?
Inquiring minds need to know.:D
Thanks

~and this too shall pass~
D6 9U6914SP, #46Hyd 1W523, 6A dozer #16C5869
R945B Liebherr Ex. (part owner)

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17 years 3 months ago #8036 by SJ
Replied by SJ on topic Pressure
It can be either way but usually they stick open so then you,d experience lower pressure but it,s fairly rare for them to do it but would more likely be a worn pump or other reasons for low pressure.

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17 years 3 months ago #8039 by ccjersey
Replied by ccjersey on topic CAT D4 oil pressure?
I doubt it would make any difference whether you would see high or low oil pressure, but don't these engines have an inlet-throttled oil pressure control system like the D311?

If it has a small external line to the oil pump from an adjacent main bearing cap, that's what it has. Spring pressure pushes the valve open to feed the pump a full stream, and pressure from the main bearing cap pushes it shut to restrict the inlet stream of oil and lower the pressure. So the inlet valve should be wide open when you check the pump.

D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time:D

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17 years 3 months ago #8045 by Old Magnet
Replied by Old Magnet on topic CAT D4 oil pressure?
As wore out as these engines usually are I think it's pretty rare to hit relief pressure (or control pressure) on the oil pump and same goes for the fuel transfer pump.

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17 years 3 months ago #8082 by ttman4
Replied by ttman4 on topic CAT D4 oil pressure?

As wore out as these engines usually are I think it's pretty rare to hit relief pressure (or control pressure) on the oil pump and same goes for the fuel transfer pump.

Yeah, I was kinda wondering.
But dummy me!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: I been running round for last year, thinking I was hot stuff, bragging bout my 9U running 50-55-60# oil press working it. Few months back I got to playing round with my coolant temps, thermostats, flushing things, etc, etc. Finally figured out I was running too cold temps.
After I finally got the working temps on up 180 or so, oil press runs more like everyone else....35-40# And if it worked at hotter temp it would probably run less press than that.
I'm little slow, but finally figured out I ain't nothing special after all:D :D
But I must say, this engine does sound really good to me.....
:eek: (shhhhh....probably lay an egg & blow up in next few days...shhhh):eek:

~and this too shall pass~
D6 9U6914SP, #46Hyd 1W523, 6A dozer #16C5869
R945B Liebherr Ex. (part owner)

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17 years 3 months ago #8084 by Old Magnet
Replied by Old Magnet on topic CAT D4 oil pressure?
Hi ttman4,
It's amazing how low the oil pressure can be on these engines and doesn't seem to hurt anything. I think as long as you got flow most parts are happy;)
35-40 lb pressure is still pretty optimum if temps are right. Bearing clearance must be near new spec on your tractor. What do you have at idle?

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17 years 3 months ago #8101 by Oil Slick
Replied by Oil Slick on topic CAT D4 oil pressure?
My D4 seems to run a little less than 20 lbs when the temp gage reads 180. The temp is only 160 in the picture with the oil pressure a little above 20 lbs. Idling fast or slow seems to have little effect on the pressure.

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