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I have a steering problem on a D3B S/N X27y01837.The right track will not disengage when pressur put on brake peddel,but both tracks stop in push hard.Not a cat mec but sounds like the right cluch is stuck.THe cluch cly both work and the brakes are good.Pressure in the cluch clynders is about 200psi.If stuck is there a prescribed way to unstick without removing cluch?
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Tue, Jan 15, 2013 3:39 AM
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is it a dry or wet clutch arrangement? Is the linkage and valve end roller in good shape and linkage adjusted to spec?
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Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:20 AM
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is it a dry or wet clutch arrangement? Is the linkage and valve end roller in good shape and linkage adjusted to spec?


It is dry and all linkage is correct.Have operated the cluch valve by hand and the track does not even slow down.
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Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:38 PM
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It is dry and all linkage is correct.Have operated the cluch valve by hand and the track does not even slow down.
Appears the slave cylinder that works the steering clutch yoke is stuck....not uncommon, especially if left to sit for long intervals. You will have to get access to pry the yoke (hopefully) loose.
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Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:39 PM
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Appears the slave cylinder that works the steering clutch yoke is stuck....not uncommon, especially if left to sit for long intervals. You will have to get access to pry the yoke (hopefully) loose.


The cly is working,checked that befor I put the cover back on.I took the cover off and found that the brake adjuster was frozen on both sides.Got them free and luberacated up and checked everything out .I did not take the cluch out.I thought the break adjustment being frozen was the problem.That was some of it but not all.
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Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:36 AM
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The cly is working,checked that befor I put the cover back on.I took the cover off and found that the brake adjuster was frozen on both sides.Got them free and luberacated up and checked everything out .I did not take the cluch out.I thought the break adjustment being frozen was the problem.That was some of it but not all.
If all that's working then it's time to go deeper...checking the clutch release bearings and bevel gear cross shaft bearings. Looking for why the yoke movement is not getting transfered to clutch release.
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Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:41 AM
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If all that's working then it's time to go deeper...checking the clutch release bearings and bevel gear cross shaft bearings. Looking for why the yoke movement is not getting transfered to clutch release.


Should anything move when the Yoke moves.I could not see any movement in the area where the cluch is.How much should the yoke move.Does it move all the way to the stop or does it stop short of that point?
Also just put a new gage on the pressure test for the cluch cly.It reads 170 psi on the right and 250 on the left.Is this dif ok and what would cause the dif?
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Wed, Jan 16, 2013 3:05 AM
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Should anything move when the Yoke moves.I could not see any movement in the area where the cluch is.How much should the yoke move.Does it move all the way to the stop or does it stop short of that point?
Also just put a new gage on the pressure test for the cluch cly.It reads 170 psi on the right and 250 on the left.Is this dif ok and what would cause the dif?
[quote="pbmps"]Should anything move when the Yoke moves.I could not see any movement in the area where the cluch is.How much should the yoke move.Does it move all the way to the stop or does it stop short of that point?
Also just put a new gage on the pressure test for the cluch cly.It reads 170 psi on the right and 250 on the left.Is this dif ok and what would cause the dif?[/quote]

170 psi will not release your clutch enough. You need to take out both your clutch release valves and recondition them, new seals, springs and roller bearings. Maybe outer stems if worn and leaking at seals. Then when installed adjust the release linkage so the cams have 0.027" clearance to the rollers on the stems.
Later Bob
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Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:53 AM
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Have you changed the hydraulic filter and checked the pick-up screen?

As I recall you should see 400 PSI. (That's what I saw after changing mine.)

I'm with Bob on thinking the slave cylinders may be bypassing but you'll want to check these other items first.

jon
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Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:45 AM
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Have you changed the hydraulic filter and checked the pick-up screen?

As I recall you should see 400 PSI. (That's what I saw after changing mine.)

I'm with Bob on thinking the slave cylinders may be bypassing but you'll want to check these other items first.

jon
The steering valves are pressure reducing valves. The more you force on the valves the higher the pressure that goes through them.
Worn bearings on the stems reduces the travel and thus release pressure. Weak or broken springs inside do the same. Good valves will let full trans pump pressure through(app 400 psi)
Later Bob
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Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:13 AM
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The steering valves are pressure reducing valves. The more you force on the valves the higher the pressure that goes through them.
Worn bearings on the stems reduces the travel and thus release pressure. Weak or broken springs inside do the same. Good valves will let full trans pump pressure through(app 400 psi)
Later Bob
[quote="bob"]The steering valves are pressure reducing valves. The more you force on the valves the higher the pressure that goes through them.
Worn bearings on the stems reduces the travel and thus release pressure. Weak or broken springs inside do the same. Good valves will let full trans pump pressure through(app 400 psi)
Later Bob[/quote]

Thanks to Bob and the others that have replied to my problem.I took the right valve apart this morning.I think I remember someone saying a ball in the valve may have a flat spot on it. I dont see a ball,just two springs and a stem.No internal seals,just two "O" rings that seal both ends.Could someone send me a parts dia of the valve.S/N X27y01837.
Thanks,Paul
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Thu, Jan 17, 2013 3:17 AM
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