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JoeWestfall
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Hello Everyone,
Does anyone know what the cylinder liner protrusion should be on a D3400?
I have a reworked block,new liners,new gasket and new upper copper shims.
Without clamping down the liner, I have .015? My new copper upper gasket
is .032. Dont want to crack anything when torquing cyl head down.
Thanks Joe westfall
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Fri, Nov 23, 2012 10:36 PM
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First thing is you need to clamp them down before measuring. Then you need them to be close to the same protrusion within a couple thousandths as I remember.

Not sure CAT ever published a spec on the old engines. Probably could use the specs for a D342 or something modern.
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Fri, Nov 23, 2012 11:09 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
First thing is you need to clamp them down before measuring. Then you need them to be close to the same protrusion within a couple thousandths as I remember.

Not sure CAT ever published a spec on the old engines. Probably could use the specs for a D342 or something modern.
You have a problem at .015 if that's what you end up with after clamping the liners down. Search the site for "Liner Protrusion". There's several threads. Here's one for a D4400.

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?7999-Liner-height
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Sat, Nov 24, 2012 12:45 AM
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Reply to Mike Walsh:
You have a problem at .015 if that's what you end up with after clamping the liners down. Search the site for "Liner Protrusion". There's several threads. Here's one for a D4400.

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?7999-Liner-height
The machine shop that decked the block claims they took same amount
from counterbore as taken from deck. So maybe i will clamp them down
first, then measure height. I really dont think the .032 copper gasket will
compress more .001. Maybe liner flange is thicker than original,or these
copper gaskets are thicker than original. These are all OEM cat parts.
But today who knows about quality control.
Thanks for input Joe Westfall
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Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:15 AM
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Reply to JoeWestfall:
The machine shop that decked the block claims they took same amount
from counterbore as taken from deck. So maybe i will clamp them down
first, then measure height. I really dont think the .032 copper gasket will
compress more .001. Maybe liner flange is thicker than original,or these
copper gaskets are thicker than original. These are all OEM cat parts.
But today who knows about quality control.
Thanks for input Joe Westfall
Was there no paperwork with the new sleeves? There should have been and if there isn't then contact the manufacturer of the new liners and see what they have to say.
Mike
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Sat, Nov 24, 2012 11:19 PM
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Was there no paperwork with the new sleeves? There should have been and if there isn't then contact the manufacturer of the new liners and see what they have to say.
Mike
I have new liners here ready for my D2 4U known as "The Boat Anchor", but I wanted to ask about checking liner protrusion because I wasn't sure about having the nice new upper copper gaskets crushed while measuring the variance from cylinder to cylinder, is that normal practice, to pull down the new liners onto the new counter bore copper gaskets to check protrusion, then pull it all apart to fit lower rubber "O" rings with appropriate lube and re install it all if protrusion is OK? As I understand it, liner protrusion can be anywhere from 1-5 thou, but each liner must be within 1 thou of each other, is that correct?
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Mike
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Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:48 PM
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Reply to Mike Meyer:
I have new liners here ready for my D2 4U known as "The Boat Anchor", but I wanted to ask about checking liner protrusion because I wasn't sure about having the nice new upper copper gaskets crushed while measuring the variance from cylinder to cylinder, is that normal practice, to pull down the new liners onto the new counter bore copper gaskets to check protrusion, then pull it all apart to fit lower rubber "O" rings with appropriate lube and re install it all if protrusion is OK? As I understand it, liner protrusion can be anywhere from 1-5 thou, but each liner must be within 1 thou of each other, is that correct?
thanks
Mike
yes, that is how you do it, check protrusion and leave the o-rings out. You will not be clamping the liners in place so tight that they will crush the copper gaskets but enough to have them fully seated. If I recall right the .001 is desirable on variance.
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Mon, Nov 26, 2012 12:48 AM
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Reply to Mike Mahler:
yes, that is how you do it, check protrusion and leave the o-rings out. You will not be clamping the liners in place so tight that they will crush the copper gaskets but enough to have them fully seated. If I recall right the .001 is desirable on variance.
Mike
I like to use these specs.......
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Mon, Nov 26, 2012 1:29 AM
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I like to use these specs.......
would these specs. work on a d8800 engine also? thanks
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Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:32 AM
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I like to use these specs.......


Thanks for that scan Pete, I've printed it off. What is interesting is they talk about pulling the liners down to 50 pounds, which must surely crush and/ or deform the nice new counter bore copper gaskets, then they talk about rotating liners within the bore to get the protrusion right if it is wrong, which must add another variable for the new copper gaskets to deal with, but did I read right when they say the variance around a single liner when measured in 4 spots can be 2 thou? Do the experts agree here that applying a suitable gasket sealant to the underside of D2 head gaskets is considered best practice, I recall "SJ", or "Ol Grump" talking about it after years of experience at the Cat. Dealer working on D2's they found it necessary.
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Mike
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Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:40 AM
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would these specs. work on a d8800 engine also? thanks
Parts may vary but procedure specs are the same for all.
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