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snowshoveler
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With all the interesting weather going on I thought I would mess with my genset a bit.
Cleaning things up and looking it over to see how things work.
Its a D4600 from about 1942 or 43 I think. The gen head was made by The Louis Allis Co.
The gen head has a tag on it that says its " self regulating " how does this work.
I am a small engine guy and work on a few portable gensets...they just aren't the same.
More capicitors and diodes and chips than you can shake a stick at.
The Cat has none of this that I can see.
My boss says it can't produce stable power the way it is. I say it did for many years.
If anyone can help me understand any of this it would be helpfull.
Thanks Chris
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Tue, Oct 30, 2012 5:59 AM
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Here is some read material that should help........

I'll be damned.....they loaded in the order I wanted them posted!!!!!!!!!!
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Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:08 AM
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No reason it shouldn't work just as it was designed except that the selenium rectifiers are likely to be bad from old age. These can be replaced with modern silicon diodes and bridges, but an adjustment to the resister in the circuit may be necessary because of the lower resistance/lower voltage drop through a silicon diode compared to the selenium type. As always, check brushes and sliprings in main alternator and brushes and commutator in the exciter before you go very far. The surface of the sliprings and commutator can be brown, but should show no corrosion. You can get soft abrasive sticks from places like McMaster-Carr and WWGrainger to clean up the surfaces if you need. (Sandpaper will do in a pinch, but it's frowned upon by those that do things properly!

If you can't get it to work because something is burned up in the exciter or regulator etc, you can always replace the whole kit and caboodle with a static exciter/regulator from a company called Power-tronics. Good products and helpful people.
http://power-tronics.com/
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:48 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Here is some read material that should help........

I'll be damned.....they loaded in the order I wanted them posted!!!!!!!!!!
Great timing for this question, 2 weeks ago I picked up a D311 genset I bought, I had a discusson with the seller about current quality with some of the lower quality generators as he was upgrading to a Modern unit. Little did I know he had a electronic background. After our discussion he hooked up a Scope to the old cat and took readings at light and moderate loads, then he did the same with his New generator and his public utility, He found the Old cat I bought had a cleaner sine wave than the other 2 sources and held the frequency closer than the New generator. lucky for me he was tired of difficult pony engines.
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Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:58 AM
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Reply to Steve A:
Great timing for this question, 2 weeks ago I picked up a D311 genset I bought, I had a discusson with the seller about current quality with some of the lower quality generators as he was upgrading to a Modern unit. Little did I know he had a electronic background. After our discussion he hooked up a Scope to the old cat and took readings at light and moderate loads, then he did the same with his New generator and his public utility, He found the Old cat I bought had a cleaner sine wave than the other 2 sources and held the frequency closer than the New generator. lucky for me he was tired of difficult pony engines.
I worked an Allis like that 20 plus years ago, it had an electric stepper motor drive on the Rheostat to turn up the exciter voltage!

That Power-Tronics looks like a WEALTH of information on the Tech page!

I was digging around on the shelves in my shop the other day and found a Basler Voltage Regulator that I forgot I had?
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Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:03 PM
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I worked an Allis like that 20 plus years ago, it had an electric stepper motor drive on the Rheostat to turn up the exciter voltage!

That Power-Tronics looks like a WEALTH of information on the Tech page!

I was digging around on the shelves in my shop the other day and found a Basler Voltage Regulator that I forgot I had?
My genset dosent look th same as the one posted by Old Magnet.
It does have the belt drive exciter on the top but I dont see any place on it for the other parts.
The main breaker has a date code of 1942 if I read it right.
Looks identical to the ones in the sales flyers from that time.
I will attempt pics and give the serial amd model numbers.
Thanks Chris
193? d4400 cat powerunit
1950 john deere M
1959 international t5 crawler
1977 powerking 1216 tractor
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Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:16 PM
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My genset dosent look th same as the one posted by Old Magnet.
It does have the belt drive exciter on the top but I dont see any place on it for the other parts.
The main breaker has a date code of 1942 if I read it right.
Looks identical to the ones in the sales flyers from that time.
I will attempt pics and give the serial amd model numbers.
Thanks Chris
Didn't expect it to look the same (it is a later model) but ought to be similar in function, at least enough to determine how it works as per your question.
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Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:22 PM
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Didn't expect it to look the same (it is a later model) but ought to be similar in function, at least enough to determine how it works as per your question.
I forgot to mention that mine is set up as single phase 120/240.
Came with a 125 amp breaker and a 250 amp switch.
Was originally configured that way...ran a lighthouse from new.
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193? d4400 cat powerunit
1950 john deere M
1959 international t5 crawler
1977 powerking 1216 tractor
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Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:45 PM
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Reply to snowshoveler:
I forgot to mention that mine is set up as single phase 120/240.
Came with a 125 amp breaker and a 250 amp switch.
Was originally configured that way...ran a lighthouse from new.
Thanks Chris
Some of the stuff in his scans may or may not be "unit" mounted. Very often they would be mounted on the wall of the enclosure where the unit sat or even remotely. This was done for convienance sake and vibration reduction.
Especially this maybe true in a Lighthouse scenario where it ran remotely after it was started and the Caretaker could monitor and adjust from the comfort of the lighthouse.
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Tue, Oct 30, 2012 11:12 PM
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A generator set ordered for a specific load like the lighthouse may have not needed much in the way of automatic voltage regulation. Consistent load, has to run reliably, every night, all night, so part count and failure modes would favor a simple voltage control system. Perhaps only a rheostat to change the resistance in the field circuit.

I have a 1944 model Buda set with both automatic (via a Reg-Ohm mechanical regulator) and manual via the rheostat. I don't think most folks had a lot of faith in the reliablity of the electrical controls at that time. With the D4600, if worse came to worst, a can of gasoline and a starting rope would get the lights on.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:48 AM
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A generator set ordered for a specific load like the lighthouse may have not needed much in the way of automatic voltage regulation. Consistent load, has to run reliably, every night, all night, so part count and failure modes would favor a simple voltage control system. Perhaps only a rheostat to change the resistance in the field circuit.

I have a 1944 model Buda set with both automatic (via a Reg-Ohm mechanical regulator) and manual via the rheostat. I don't think most folks had a lot of faith in the reliablity of the electrical controls at that time. With the D4600, if worse came to worst, a can of gasoline and a starting rope would get the lights on.
[quote="ccjersey"]A generator set ordered for a specific load like the lighthouse may have not needed much in the way of automatic voltage regulation. Consistent load, has to run reliably, every night, all night, so part count and failure modes would favor a simple voltage control system. Perhaps only a rheostat to change the resistance in the field circuit.

I have a 1944 model Buda set with both automatic (via a Reg-Ohm mechanical regulator) and manual via the rheostat. I don't think most folks had a lot of faith in the reliablity of the electrical controls at that time. With the D4600, if worse came to worst, a can of gasoline and a starting rope would get the lights on.[/quote]

Greetings, the bottom of your posting says that you have a DW20. I just found a DW10. Can you assist with any information?
thank you Marty 773-for-nine-zero-9747
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Wed, Oct 31, 2012 4:27 AM
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