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I run a 1978 951b here in Spain , Europe for general light loading and road making etc. It was supplied in France and is still going strong, But!! We had the diesel pump refurbed last year and had no probs with it whatsoever. During the summer here the machine has been stood for 3 months. Tried to start it andit wouldnt go. Theres no pressure output from the pump to the injectors. I´ve ripped the pump off the machine and have got it on the bench. After a clean I cannot see any obvious issues. Followers, cam , plungers all seem fine. Any ideas where to go from here. Can´t afford to send it to the agents again so any advice would be greatly appreciated,

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Sun, Sep 16, 2012 5:51 PM
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Check that everything moves OK, put it backon the machine then check the 'overfueling' spring in the centre of thegovernor on the back, if it is broken, it won'tovercome the governor weights and flip the 'rack' open.
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Sun, Sep 16, 2012 9:55 PM
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Check that everything moves OK, put it backon the machine then check the 'overfueling' spring in the centre of thegovernor on the back, if it is broken, it won'tovercome the governor weights and flip the 'rack' open.
The 86J models have a speed limiting plunger (item 1😎 that limits the rack. Depends on making engine oil pressure before the rack will travel. Check to see if the plunger is stuck and/or operating.
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Mon, Sep 17, 2012 12:08 AM
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Check that everything moves OK, put it backon the machine then check the 'overfueling' spring in the centre of thegovernor on the back, if it is broken, it won'tovercome the governor weights and flip the 'rack' open.
Thanks for that catsilver. I just rechecked it and the cam and followers move freely enough. There is a horixontal bar with 4 levers clamped by alan bolts which engage with a slotted disc on each plunger piston. Should this move ?

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Mon, Sep 17, 2012 2:17 AM
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The 86J models have a speed limiting plunger (item 1😎 that limits the rack. Depends on making engine oil pressure before the rack will travel. Check to see if the plunger is stuck and/or operating.
Old Magnet many thanks for the diagram. This pump is not the same I think it is a compact scrolling pump ? 1978 European 951B . If you have a drawing for this one it sure would be useful . I´m a bit in the dark here!!! Cheers

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Mon, Sep 17, 2012 2:19 AM
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Old Magnet many thanks for the diagram. This pump is not the same I think it is a compact scrolling pump ? 1978 European 951B . If you have a drawing for this one it sure would be useful . I´m a bit in the dark here!!! Cheers



It looks like a sleeve metering pump from your pic, which would make it a 951C. A serial number would help here.
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Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:15 AM
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It looks like a sleeve metering pump from your pic, which would make it a 951C. A serial number would help here.
You have a sleeve metering pump. That is probably a 48V series 3304 engine used in the 69Hxxxx serial number 951C model tractors, built in France. Need the engine arrangement number and engine serial number to properly identify the injection pump/governor combination.

My 3304 48V engine parts book only covers to 69H3702 and then refers you to the specific serial number vehicle manual so I may or may not have the info. As near as I can tell there is no speed limiter like the 86J units.

Were you able to pump fuel and fill/vent the injection pump housing when you tried to start unit?
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Mon, Sep 17, 2012 10:50 AM
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You have a sleeve metering pump. That is probably a 48V series 3304 engine used in the 69Hxxxx serial number 951C model tractors, built in France. Need the engine arrangement number and engine serial number to properly identify the injection pump/governor combination.

My 3304 48V engine parts book only covers to 69H3702 and then refers you to the specific serial number vehicle manual so I may or may not have the info. As near as I can tell there is no speed limiter like the 86J units.

Were you able to pump fuel and fill/vent the injection pump housing when you tried to start unit?
Some of the later 951b machines did have the sleeve metering fuel pump, which this one has, does the shaft with the 'fingers' on it move at all, also try each sleeve which the fingers engage in to make sure they are free on the pump plungers, but DON'T loosen the allen head bolts, you need a special tool to position the fingers on the shaft. These pumps will run half full of water, but when they stop for a while, everything rusts up, so the first step is to ensure the pump sleeves and 'rack' move, it should rotate freely to push the collars up and fall back down on its own.
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Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:47 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
You have a sleeve metering pump. That is probably a 48V series 3304 engine used in the 69Hxxxx serial number 951C model tractors, built in France. Need the engine arrangement number and engine serial number to properly identify the injection pump/governor combination.

My 3304 48V engine parts book only covers to 69H3702 and then refers you to the specific serial number vehicle manual so I may or may not have the info. As near as I can tell there is no speed limiter like the 86J units.

Were you able to pump fuel and fill/vent the injection pump housing when you tried to start unit?
Thanks old magnet! The machine is 69H4925

Filled and vented the system no prob. Looks like catsilver is on to the prob! The rail with the 4 sleeves doesnt move! I'll post a foto shortly. Many thanks

[quote="Old Magnet"]You have a sleeve metering pump. That is probably a 48V series 3304 engine used in the 69Hxxxx serial number 951C model tractors, built in France. Need the engine arrangement number and engine serial number to properly identify the injection pump/governor combination.

My 3304 48V engine parts book only covers to 69H3702 and then refers you to the specific serial number vehicle manual so I may or may not have the info. As near as I can tell there is no speed limiter like the 86J units.

Were you able to pump fuel and fill/vent the injection pump housing when you tried to start unit?[/quote]
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Mon, Sep 17, 2012 7:55 PM
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Thanks old magnet! The machine is 69H4925

Filled and vented the system no prob. Looks like catsilver is on to the prob! The rail with the 4 sleeves doesnt move! I'll post a foto shortly. Many thanks

[quote="Old Magnet"]You have a sleeve metering pump. That is probably a 48V series 3304 engine used in the 69Hxxxx serial number 951C model tractors, built in France. Need the engine arrangement number and engine serial number to properly identify the injection pump/governor combination.

My 3304 48V engine parts book only covers to 69H3702 and then refers you to the specific serial number vehicle manual so I may or may not have the info. As near as I can tell there is no speed limiter like the 86J units.

Were you able to pump fuel and fill/vent the injection pump housing when you tried to start unit?[/quote]
The 951B was fitted with the 330C engine and scroll style injector pump, so a serial No would be a great benifit, or a photo of both sides of the machine with or without the engine in, I could tell you if its a B series or C series, the B's ended in 1972 so if you shovel is 1978 its clearly a C series,there is plenty of simple detail changes that can pin point the build year plus the Numeral code, the loader frame will have a date stamp on the side up near the top pin location on the near side, your serial No will start with 69H???? so rocket john post up a few pic's of the beast.

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p.s. just spotted the other post, that 951B is a 951C.
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Tue, Sep 18, 2012 12:43 AM
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The 951B was fitted with the 330C engine and scroll style injector pump, so a serial No would be a great benifit, or a photo of both sides of the machine with or without the engine in, I could tell you if its a B series or C series, the B's ended in 1972 so if you shovel is 1978 its clearly a C series,there is plenty of simple detail changes that can pin point the build year plus the Numeral code, the loader frame will have a date stamp on the side up near the top pin location on the near side, your serial No will start with 69H???? so rocket john post up a few pic's of the beast.

tctractors
p.s. just spotted the other post, that 951B is a 951C.
Thanks for the input guys. The slleves are seized on to the plunger shafts. Tried easing one today very very gently and the plunger shaft broke!!! How do you get the plungers out? I can make a spring compressor easy enough and am used to reconditioning cylinder heads , valve seats springs etc

There are fluted discs that look like they secure the plungers to the pump body. Do they screw out? Special tool needed?

Where the hell do I get a new plunger? Suspect that the other plungers may be fatigued as well? Not my doing !!

Good to hear from you TCT and I´ll get some fotos up ASAP

Cheers Guys
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Tue, Sep 18, 2012 1:22 AM
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